And MISS all the FUN?
Posted on 08/27/2013 11:53:37 AM PDT by NYer
By the way the approach to bringing spiritual cleansing to a problem like this is often “lather, rinse, repeat.” You might not get the whole shebang in one shot. Don’t quit, though. You WILL make progress if you exalt the Lord and ask Him to be exalted in the trouble situation. The Lord guarantees it. My tag line is not facetious, though it’s put in children’s terms.
Where to start; you have been misled on many issues. How does YHvH define "church" i.e.Ekklesia ? or What was the purpose of the Ekklesia(church) ? Was it a temporal corporation to rule on earth ? No ! Was it to have a temporal head ? No ! It was a gathering of YHvH's chosen people to hear His Word ? and learn to Fear YHvH all their days ? And to teach their children the same ? Yes. ------------- Ekklesia is from the Hebrew Qahal (kof, hey, lamed) Did Yah'shua celebrate His commanded feasts ? As such, celebrating the birth, crucifixion, death and resurrection If you were familiar with the WORD of G-d Do you believe that you have been called to Seek YHvH in His WORD. Is that the one mentioned in Deuteronomy 4:10 ?
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
Is it all those called out by YHvH ?
A study of the word "church", in the Koine Greek : Ekklesia.
Was the "church" started at the YHvH commanded
Feast day of Shavuot (pentecost) as some say ?
Did the "church" exist earlier ?
Using the LXX as a guide we see that the Ekklesia
is first used in Deuteronomy 4:10 NAsbU Deuteronomy 4:10 "Remember the day you stood before YHvH, your God
Also see : Deu 4:10, Deu 9:10, Deu 18:16, Deu 23:3, Deu 23:4, Deu 23:9, Deu 31:30,
at Horeb, when YHvH said to me, 'Assemble the people to Me, that I may let
them hear My words so they may learn to fear Me all the days they live on
the earth, and that they may teach their children.'
Jos 9:2, Jda 20.2, Jda 21:5, Jda 21:8, Jdg 20:2 Jdg 21:5, Jdg 21:8, 1 Sa 17:47,
1 Sa 19:20, 1 Ki 8:14, 1 Ki 8:22, 1 Ki 8:55, 1 Ki 8:65, 1 Ch 13:2, 1 Ch 13:4, 1 Ch 28:2,
1 Ch 28:8 (kof => The HOLY ONE
which is haQahal The assembly (hey, kop, hey, lamed)
hey => grace, breath of G-d
lamed => teaching and learning)
In scripture it is always used to describe
those who have been assembled by YHvH.
It begins in Exodus 16:3 ( the bread from heaven )
and continues to Nehemiah 8:17 (living in Booths) NAsbU Nehemiah 8:17
Did Yah'shua repudiate the Tanach
The entire assembly of those who had returned from
the captivity made booths and lived in them.
The sons of Israel had indeed not done so
from the days of Joshua(Yehoshua)
the son of Nun to that day.
And there was great rejoicing.
(or the pejorative term: "old testament")
Did Yah'shua say ignore what is in My WORD ?
they all occurred on YHvH commanded Feasts.
None occurred on Pagan feast days.
be grafted into the vine ?
See: Romans 11
And MISS all the FUN?
The road to Heck is paved with... WHAT???
It’s the devil who tells us it’s fun.
And you will find this in exactly what scripture?
The key is centering the attempts around exaltation of the Lord. Even if you do a horrible job of it the first time you try. This is to venture into the positive gospel promises. So many Christians play rope-a-dope in the prohibitions. Jesus did not die for our sins on the Cross so we could be chicken.
2 Thessalonians 1:11-12 With this in mind, we constantly pray for you, that our God may count you worthy of his calling, and that by his power he may fulfill every good purpose of yours and every act prompted by your faith. We pray this so that the name of our Lord Jesus may be glorified in you, and you in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Thanks for the ping. So we’re doing this one again?
Well, sticking stubbornly to a set of peculiar nomenclature is one sign of a lack of agape (I think of Paul who would “be all things to all people” to be able to share the gospel on the most effective level in the situation), though I believe I can begin to grasp what you’re intending.
You got to divide that word of truth accurately or you only get muddled mush.
Jesus said not a jot or tittle would be dropped from the Law “until all was accomplished.”
Now fast forward to His last moment on the Cross. What did He say.... YUP! Tetelosthai... IT IS FINISHED.
The Gospel work of Christ on that Cross sealed the salvations of all who will or did believe on Him for it... for all time. The role for the Law has changed to that of illustration. A saved life can fulfill the Law better and better, and in that sense the Law serves as a useful measuring rod for progress and correct direction, but the saved life does not look to what is behind but to what is ahead. The power of holiness comes from the promises and the Spirit of promise when claimed. Galatians backs this up further and so does Hebrews.
For better or for worse, we Papists have a kind of metaphysical quasi-canon in Aristotle through Aquinas. The good of that (again, if any) is that we have a baseline language for talking about questions like “What is knowledge?” and “What is a thing?”
What makes these contentions all the more futile is that there is neither common language nor a shared starting point for the comparatively simple questions. As I may say too much, I'm already stymied when we ask what bread and wine are. And IMHO without some way of talking about that sort of question, we're not going to get to talking about what the change (if any) is that takes place (or not) during the Mass.
As to the differing knowledge or ability of Catholics to discuss their faith, that accords with our idea (which we venture to propose is not only Scriptural but common sense)of what the Church is, and in particular the diversity of the gifts and vocations of her many members.
Without knowing or even wanting to know the context, I found your array of questions to be interesting. Thank you.
Oh really? The Greek word actually used in that verse is ἄρτιος artios. Let’s look at what the “experts” have to say.
http://biblesuite.com/strongs/greek/739.htm
artios:
Original Word: ἄρτιος, ια, ον
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: artios
Phonetic Spelling: (ar'-tee-os)
Short Definition: perfect, complete
Definition: perfect, complete, fitted, ready.
http://www.biblestudytools.com/search/?q=perfect&rc=LEX&rc2=LEX+GRK&ps=10&s=References
Artios fitted complete, perfect having reference apparently to "special aptitude for given uses"
Isn’t that something? The experts say the word means perfect or complete. Now, if God says something is complete would you suggest it’s less then perfect? You really need to do more study before you say someone else is wrong. Makes you look bad when you don’t. Allows people to think that whatever you say has been poorly researched and studied.
Crazy Evangelicals (like me) point to the Aquinas phenomenon as a fellow who was finding a best approach, still imperfect, to the truth of the Lord as he was genuinely being saved as a believer. Studying his history is quite illustrative and helpful. The world would be poorer without that view into salvation. What would be wrong would be to ossify Aquinas’ recorded observations into canon. If I could myself be the best extant prophet of God on earth... I wouldn’t want my works to go into a canon either. The infallible canon’s closed... it says so at the end of the book of Revelation.
We consulted with Knoxville allies, and were informed that PP often uses opposition, even provokes it, in order to stir up a steady stream of free publicity. In other cities, they played the action/reaction news cycles so effectively they doubled their client stream. So we're trying to figure out a wiser way to do this.
As for me, I should be fasting.
Pray for us, please?
You are beginning to look really bad here I’m thinking. Let’s look at this again.
Hebrews 1:8 But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.
That right there my dear is scripture and it is calling Jesus God.
Acts 20:28 Pay careful attention to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God, which he obtained with his own blood.
There again is scripture calling Jesus God since it was only Jesus who “obtained with His own blood”.
That is two instances in scripture that Jesus is called God.
The RC demurral to this, as always, takes the form of “scoping” arguments. Ah, if we scope this right we will see that this earthly organization is vested with what it says it is vested with. Ultimately that is a “dividing the word of truth” issue as well as a question of how to resolve the begged question.
The best defense here is not endless wrangles over words, but a good spiritual offense... living the life of Christ out in a visible, holy manner. Then questioning it becomes a matter of multiplying spiritual conspiracy theories, and will fall under its own insupportable weight. I humbly submit that the Crazy Evangelical model does win out here as it can explain the success of Jesus’ work in all the Christian communities where it is found. At the same time it has to be centered around exalting Christ. Not people’s egos!!
Not sure what you mean about “hoops.”
I have begun to view trouble as opportunity.
Satan is walking into what Christ can turn around to be an ambush. Use that ambush capability wisely.
Oh that was rich! Nice catch! Sort of on their own petard kind of thing goin on there.
Yes, you are correct. Like I said, there is only one church. Anyone who is Christ’s is attached to the one church.
Now, we may disagree on authority and visiblity of this church.
But inasmuch as anyone is saved, it is because he is a member of this one church.
Right after lunch is a good time for fasting. ;-)
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