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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas; jodyel

Jodyel said: Really there is not, Thomas. All one need know is Christ saves and by believing in Him one is saved. If one knows nothing else but that, one is secure for eternity.

St_Thomas_Aquinas said: Simple intellectual assent? Even the demons believe, and tremble...


Just a wee point of contention here: The demons don’t believe “in” Him. They believe he exists.

Back a hundred years ago, some people believed airplanes existed and thought they were death traps. Others believed they existed AND believed IN their ability to carry them aloft from point A to point B.

See the difference?


1,520 posted on 09/13/2013 6:23:56 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: cuban leaf
If one knows nothing else but that, one is secure for eternity.

Is this it?

If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. --Rom 10:9

But what constitutes true belief? More needs to be said, including the fact that true faith is accompanied by works, since "faith without works is dead."

Moreover, this verse must be synthesized with other seemingly contradictory verses.

"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven." --Mat 7:21

What is the will of the Father?

“Of all the commandments, which is the most important?” “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’There is no commandment greater than these.” (Mat 12)

1,538 posted on 09/13/2013 10:30:52 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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