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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
Strong’s Greek dictionary declares that the meaning in general means Know, perceive, to be aware of, to understand, etc. The obvious meaning being that Christ knows His sheep, and does not come to know His sheep, as if He did not know about them from before the foundation of the world, which is clearly taught in other places. You basically deny your own argument of foreknowledge.

No, I don't deny anything. Jesus can know of all who are born, but not learn or "get to know" us on a personal level until we accept Him into our hearts. Just as I can know many people, but only a few people do I really have a relationship with and have "gotten to know" them. This is illustrated in the following verse:

Revelation 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

It is late, and I will get to analyzing the rest of what you wrote tomorrow or later this week, but what stands out to me in the majority of the New Testament is that Christ came to save ANY one who believes on him. Not just to somehow save those who weren't condemned anyway. If it was as you suggest, the NT should be filled with verses that say things like "for God so loved the elect..." or "if any elect hear my voice..." or "if any elect eat this bread..." No, the Bible clearly states salvation is available for ALL, not just a select few. It is only through picking through a few verses that the obscene idea that only some people are the elect and are saved and the rest, no matter what they say or do, are condemned to be separated from God forever.
9 posted on 08/11/2013 8:25:00 PM PDT by ScubieNuc (When there is no justice in the laws, justice is left to the outlaws.)
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To: ScubieNuc

“If it was as you suggest, the NT should be filled with verses that say things like “for God so loved the elect...” or “if any elect hear my voice...” or “if any elect eat this bread...” No, the Bible clearly states salvation is available for ALL, not just a select few.”


This is just a reiteration of what you said before while ignoring the scriptures I have presented which utterly disprove your claims. Hopefully you will address them better in a week’s time. I also hope that you will also sort out the contradictions in your own claims as well, which I have pointed out.


10 posted on 08/11/2013 8:28:38 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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