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An absurd little statement, and one you must know is also absurd, since you did not touch upon what it means that “all that the Father gives,” do come to the Son, and in the latter verse which declares that it was not given by the Father to the unbelieving Jews.

Nothing is absurd about digging into the deeper meaning behind words in Scripture. If "shall come" and "him that cometh" were the same thing, then they would have used the same Greek word, but they didn't. (http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Jhn&c=6&t=KJV#conc/37)

I see no problem with the statement "all that the Father gives." There is nothing that anyone can do that doesn't originate with the Father, because it is the Father which gave all of us life. I don't debate the fact that the Father or the Holy Spirit of God are the "prime movers" in getting people to seek Jesus, however, I see nothing in Scripture which says that the Father is stopping people from seeking Jesus.

When I was a child I went to church and learned about God and Jesus. I "came" to Jesus at those times, but it wasn't until I was in my twenties that I chose to "follow" Jesus. I know that the Holy Spirit of God was "knocking" on the door of my heart for a while and bringing me to points of decision. Likewise, I see the following of people around Jesus after the feeding of the 5000 as many people who "came" to Jesus, but at that time were not there to actually "follow" him. That doesn't mean that some of them at a later date couldn't have made a decision to follow Jesus.

The point is, I agree that the stirring of our soul to follow Jesus does originate with the Father, but I disagree that some people are not 'selected' or allowed to believe/follow Jesus because they weren't somehow chosen before their birth. I have looked at all of your Scripture verses and I have addressed them and I don't see the Scriptural support for your views that you seem to think is there.

If you want further discussion, I recommend shorter posts with maybe one point to address. During the week, I don't really have time to try to address all of the random points you bring up in your long posts.

“Nothing is absurd about digging into the deeper meaning behind words in Scripture.”

But you didn’t dig deeper into the meaning of a word. Nor does it appear that you read the whole sentence. Since you are trying to assert that the “those who cometh to me,” contradicts the “All that the Father giveth to me shall come to me.” I suppose you will then quote the word “eat” to prove the Roman Catholic doctrine of transubstantiation and eating the body of Christ, when quite clearly to eat is to digest Christ by faith? And to come to is to believe on Christ, as stated earlier?

And what’s the point of reading one word, when you don’t even bother to read the entire sentence? And so then you start saying silly things like ‘God gave us all life,” or “God is the prime-mover,” and this you took from “All that the Father hath given me shall come to me,” which has nothing whatever to do with anything you are saying.

“The point is, I agree that the stirring of our soul to follow Jesus does originate with the Father, but I disagree that some people are not ‘selected’ or allowed to believe/follow Jesus because they weren’t somehow chosen before their birth.”

Whether you disagree or not doesn’t matter to me, since you can’t rub out the scripture, no matter how long you talk about irrelevant things.