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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

How do you know someone won’t accept the Trinity at the very end? Some people never hear of the Trinity for whatever reason, I hope you don’t say they have no chance of Salvation. There are obvious meanings of Scripture but there are also deeper meanings that are only discovered over time. And there are some we will probably never discover because how can any of us fully know the mind of God? Be careful about reading people out of any chance of Salvation because of your reading of the Scriptures. Without the Church and the early fathers and even others like St.Augustine as guides to the Scriptures, people feel pressured to totally understand and exhaust every passage of Scripture. Humility is called for. Everyone of us can’t possibly understand the mind of God nor all His ways of Salvation. I believe Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life, and I believe the Catholic Sacramental system is the ordinary and best way of Salvation. But I believe many people, for example conservative, Pro-Life, Pro-Traditional marriage Orthodox Jews follow Jesus’ Voice without knowing it have and have an opportunity to be saved. I would also count Christians who don’t use artificial contraception as virtually being Catholics without knowing it though unfortunately they don’t partake of the Sacraments. I have a hard time believing that these people have less of a chance of Salvation than many of the Obama-voting Catholics who sit next to me in the pews on Sundays, or the Christians involved with abortifacient-contraceptives who seem to have no idea that such practices have been viewed as objectively gravely sinful the entire history of Christendom until 1932 and after. I say there are more meanings to the following Scriptures than meet the eye:

“I have other sheep that do not belong to this fold. These also I must lead, and they will hear my voice, and there will be one flock, one shepherd.” -John 10:16

“In truth, I see that God shows no partiality. Rather, in every nation whoever fears him and acts uprightly is acceptable to him. You know the word [that] he sent to the Israelites as he proclaimed peace through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all” -Acts 10:34-36


57 posted on 08/14/2013 9:28:07 PM PDT by MDLION ("Trust in the Lord with all your heart" -Proverbs 3:5)
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To: MDLION

“How do you know someone won’t accept the Trinity at the very end? Some people never hear of the Trinity for whatever reason, I hope you don’t say they have no chance of Salvation. “


Of course they’ve heard about the Trinity. It’s throughout the entire scripture, so they have no excuse for denying it. And they deny it because they specifically heard of it, but not too long after Azusa street when the AOG got formed, one fellow had a “revelation” that roughly 2,000 years of Christianity was wrong, and that the only way to be saved is through being baptized in the name of Jesus. IOW, your baptism and mine are invalid, and we also are not Christians.

This is a damning heresy whether you like it or not. Now I didn’t say that salvation was “impossible” for them. If they repent and convert to Christianity, they will certainly be saved.

As for Jews or other non-believers, salvation is not by sacraments or good works, but through Christ only, as the scripture plainly says.

““I have other sheep that do not belong to this fold. These also I must lead, and they will hear my voice, and there will be one flock, one shepherd.” -John 10:16”


This is in reference not to Pagans and other infidels, but to the children of God spread throughout all the Earth whom Christ would call. Your heresy, in many ways, is just as bad as denying the Trinity, since yours undoes the Gospel message and makes it irrelevant.


58 posted on 08/14/2013 9:47:45 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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