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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

I don’t really disagree with your first paragraph. But to cite Benny Hinn or someone who doesn’t really heal doesn’t sway my mind when there are before and after x-rays and tests of people whom Jesus heals through those whom He has gifted with healing abilities. The presence of phony healers doesn’t mean there aren’t some of have charismatic gifts of healing.

“to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit” -1 Cor 12:9


32 posted on 08/11/2013 3:35:04 PM PDT by MDLION ("Trust in the Lord with all your heart" -Proverbs 3:5)
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To: MDLION

The problem is that everybody always talks about before and after X-rays, even those “healed” by Benny Hinn (just do a google search). But I’ve never actually myself seen any of these wonderful miracles, only heard about them from other people who claim up and down that they happened... to someone else.

This is not to say that God does not heal, or that God absolutely does not perform miracles. I was reading an old book on the Calvinist reformers of Scotland, and they were full of things that would remind you of the Book of Acts. But, they have no resemblance to what these people claim. Dr. John Gill, in his eulogy for his 12 year old daughter, talks about her vision of a man on horseback riding over and slaying her with a sword, only to wake up in heaven walking with the Saints. As it turned out, she died not long after, with Gill remarking that the dream was a “perfect emblem” of that death that would come upon her.

But in all of this the emphasis and purpose are completely different, and certainly no one was girating on the floor or giving heed to doctrines of devils like so many of these Charismatic/Pentecostal groups do.

I don’t know if you are a Catholic or not, but say you aren’t; do you think that God would move with Catholics who deny the efficacious work of Christ on the cross? And not only does He fail to correct them, but encourages their idolatries and various behaviors?

Or say that you are a Catholic. Do you suppose that the Holy Spirit, outside of the Roman Catholic religion, would not only acknowledge the true salvation of people outside that religion, but promote their doctrines?

Or say you are someone who walks into a service by the Oneness Pentecostals, and you see them doing all the things that you claim to do, and more? They also claim to have a “healing” ministry, and they speak in tongues (in fact, they believe speaking in tongues is required for salvation), amongst many other claims. And yet they deny the Trinity, and claim that baptism must be done by someone of their church and in the name of Jesus in order to be valid, in order to receive the Holy Spirit.

No matter how jaded you are, you have to admit that these people are damned, and teach a damnable theology.

What really matters is not any of these miracles, but rather doctrine. Or, better to say, the Truth. And what matters is none of these miraculous gifts, but the gifts of faith, love, and charity, which is what really follows a renewed life. And what converts men is not signs at all, or human reasoning, but the power and moving of the Holy Spirit, which is invisible, and happens in the heart, and in the soul that is quickened.


34 posted on 08/11/2013 10:36:46 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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