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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
Your allegedly “accurate” description has no fear of God, and ignores the warning of Paul, making you a judge of God.

Horse hockey. One need not 'judge God' to see that Calvinism has constructed a capricious pagan version. Nor does fear of God entail belief in the random bolts from Thor translated into born doomed or saved, elect/reprobate.

A key difference in the pagan gods and the God of Abraham was covenant and a shared concept of justice and mercy. Calvinism goes backwards.

If I were you, take the advice of noble Augustine who said:

Augustine said it so you believe it? Arguing from authority now are you?

40 posted on 08/05/2013 7:06:46 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr

“Augustine said it so you believe it? Arguing from authority now are you?”


Notice that in all your arguments, you’ve not once made an appeal of any kind, save to your own sentiments. If “Calvinism,” or “Augustinianism,” or “Paulianism,” or, rather, Christianity, has no basis in the scripture, or is backwards or some other issue, then in theory you should be able to tell me what this scripture means:

Joh 6:64-65 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him. (65) And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

I’ve gone back and forth with you. It’s time for you to put up or shut up on this one. Please tell me, without my saying anything for now, what is the meaning of this verse. You’re free to make use of the context, whatever you like, to make your argument. But please, explain the meaning of this verse.


42 posted on 08/05/2013 7:15:03 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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