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To: Talisker

“You represent no scripture. Jesus would be appalled. What happened to “love each other as I have loved you,” and “go and sin no more”? How can you say that there is “no good in you” when we all came from God? You seek to erase the sacredness, the holy love, of the soul itself - unless someone grovels for your approval. How is this not the ultimate evil?”


But I have given the scriptures, and the dividing line you say I cannot give, is this: scripture is the rule of faith for all believers, and whatever is not the scripture is not the rule of faith. So if the scripture says that there is nothing good in you except what God worked by His own working and willing, and if all your righteousness that is not of faith, but is designed to earn your way into heaven, is actually the most wicked sin, what’s wrong if I beat you with the Biblical book? Can’t I smack you around with it all I like until you conform to it?

Do you believe that your works are earning you merits for to get into heaven, or that they come from yourself, and represent your own native goodness? Then, you are in sin, and when you die, you will be damned. Because the scripture says that salvation is such that “no one can boast.” Do you believe that you are saved by the grace of God, through faith, without the working of the law? Do you believe you wear the imputed righteousness of Christ, a holy robe that gives you all the merits you will ever need? Why, then, welcome to Christianity.


33 posted on 08/05/2013 1:58:10 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
But I have given the scriptures, and the dividing line you say I cannot give, is this: scripture is the rule of faith for all believers, and whatever is not the scripture is not the rule of faith. So if the scripture says that there is nothing good in you except what God worked by His own working and willing, and if all your righteousness that is not of faith, but is designed to earn your way into heaven, is actually the most wicked sin, what’s wrong if I beat you with the Biblical book? Can’t I smack you around with it all I like until you conform to it?

Do you believe that your works are earning you merits for to get into heaven, or that they come from yourself, and represent your own native goodness? Then, you are in sin, and when you die, you will be damned. Because the scripture says that salvation is such that “no one can boast.” Do you believe that you are saved by the grace of God, through faith, without the working of the law? Do you believe you wear the imputed righteousness of Christ, a holy robe that gives you all the merits you will ever need? Why, then, welcome to Christianity.

You still don't get it - YOU, by your own scripture citations, have no authority to judge. You say, "what’s wrong if I beat you with the Biblical book? Can’t I smack you around with it all I like until you conform to it?" And my answer is: where is your scriptural authority to beat me up? Where is your scriptural authority to decide you have enough understanding to judge the soul of another? What about the scriptures that warn you not to do exactly this? To "take the beam out of your own eye, before you judge the mote in your brother's eye"?

What you don't understand is that the criteria in the Bible are not for use by human beings against each other - only by human beings against themselves. The Bible gives you NO authority to use it in judgement of another soul, no matter what soul criteria it gives. And ANY advice is warned to be given ONLY while the giver is drenched in compassion and humility.

Don't you see the difference between that, and what you are doing?

How many people have you hurt? How many people have you taught to turn away from the goodness God has worked in them, by teaching them that God's work was instead their arrogance about themselves? Who are you to look into a human soul and say - "that is God's goodness, but that is goodness that did not come from God that I need to teach this person to reject"? Jesus said, "Obstacles there must be, but woe to you who provide them. It is better that you throw yourself into the sea than harm one hair on their heads."

Does that sound like he was authorizing people to "beat people with the Bible" and judge the very goodness in their hearts, and teach them to reject it in the name of God!? Are you completely insane?!

Hypocrite!

YOU have no authority but to work on YOURSELF, friend. Your judgement of OTHERS is nothing but arrogance, your absoluteness regarding other people's status before God is nothing but the rejection of the love Christ taught us to treat each other with, and its replacement with hate and cruelty. You can read that book for a thousand years, but how can you find the authority in it to judge even one other soul? You can't, because it's not in it.

The Bible is for you to use as a weapon BY YOU against YOUR arrogance, YOUR hatred, YOUR lack of love, YOUR lack of faith and YOUR failings - NOT to authorize you to judge someone ELSE. You spit questions about belief at people like the inquisition, you throw souls into hell for not measuring up to YOUR particular selection of Bible verses and YOUR limited understanding of them without ever even admitting they ARE your selections. Your arrogance is staggering!

Your mind is steeped in the fires of hatred, not God's love. God works with each and every soul and NEVER gives up on them. YOU do EXACTLY the opposite. What - you find Jesus's approach of compassion LIMITED? You decided that hellfire and damnation somehow are an IMPROVEMENT on Jesus's EXAMPLE?

You are a fraud.

You act out your own inner fear and weakness and rage on others, and teach them that your failings is theirs. You are a hypocrite and a liar and a coward, because you refuse to bow your soul in true humility before God. Instead, you claim not only to be a teacher, but a terrible judge of human souls!

You have made yourself into a monster, because you are convinced God could never forgive you, and you live in fear of His judgement. And from that fear, you damn the entire world unless it lives up to YOUR cruel standards, which are based on the fear you created in yourself from your terrible sin of supreme arrogance: judging yourself as unworthy of God's forgiveness.

And so, you judge everyone else just as wrongly.

My friend in Christ, you are endangering your soul.

Pray HARD for the humility and courage to accept God's forgiveness, before you lose it altogether.

66 posted on 08/09/2013 1:44:43 AM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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