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To: Talisker

“YOUR duty? I guess you’re exempt from that humility thing, eh? Being so important to the plan of God, as you are.”


I don’t know how you come to these conclusions about spitting at me and about me or people like me killing people, since my argument is quite clearly that we are all under sin, and that there is nothing good in each of us. There is no instance of me saying I am better than the other fellow. More accurately, it is you guys insisting that there is something good in you, and me denying that there is anything good in any of us, except that which springs from God alone.

This is at the heart of the Pelagian/Augustinian controversy that we see here, as well as between the Roman Catholic Church, which is semi-Pelagian, with the Reformation of later times. And also between the Reformed churches and the Arminian. It is a question of who it is that saves. Whether it is man who saves himself, though “assisted” in some way by God, but still, essentially, asserting an internal goodness in man which enables him to respond and cooperate, though the scripture denies such ideas. Or if whether one can have anything at all except it is given to them by God, as Christ preached and the Apostles.

Is it really so hateful to imagine that “no man can come unto me, unless it is given to them by the Father,” as Christ says in John 6?


28 posted on 08/05/2013 1:30:52 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
More accurately, it is you guys insisting that there is something good in you, and me denying that there is anything good in any of us, except that which springs from God alone.

Is it really so hateful to imagine that “no man can come unto me, unless it is given to them by the Father,” as Christ says in John 6?

What is hateful is where YOU choose to draw the lines on what "came from God" and what didn't. Who are you to decide what aspect of a human being - and how can you even decide what the aspects are - did NOT come from God? In fact, how, exactly, can something exist that did not come from God? Wouldn't that mean that that thing was at least equal to God, if not superior, because it literally did not need God for it's own existence?

You play word games to harm people and exalt yourself. You quote scripture only to use as a basis for your hateful intepretations. You speak in generalities that can have no specific interpretations, deny people's own inner experiences of God, and beat them to death with a book - and deny you're doing anything at all, because God is working through you.

You represent no scripture. Jesus would be appalled. What happened to "love each other as I have loved you," and "go and sin no more"? How can you say that there is "no good in you" when we all came from God? You seek to erase the sacredness, the holy love, of the soul itself - unless someone grovels for your approval. How is this not the ultimate evil?

You do not represent the Bible. You represent the most hateful of all lying egos. You mock God.

32 posted on 08/05/2013 1:49:57 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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