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To: daniel1212

Since this seems to be the most salient part of your comment I’ll deal with it.
No, I’m not ignoring anything but attempting to stick with a central point here. If you are in error here then the rest falls too.

“Thus, rather than remaining in Sheol till the resurrection, the Lord said to the contrite criminal, “Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise. “ (Luke 23:43) (See more on this later on) As the Lord did not go to glory that day, but first descended first into the lower parts of the earth, and as Abraham’s bosom was not heaven, this supports Abraham’s bosom as being paradise.”

You’re describing a kind of Purgatory Lite. Your narrative has Jesus being resurrected and going into the lower parts of the earth on the day that he spoke to the thief whereas Jesus said he was going to be in the grave(hades or sheol) for three days.

Is this where Abraham’s bosom and paradise are? In the lower parts of the earth?


128 posted on 08/04/2013 12:27:14 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: count-your-change; daniel1212
You’re describing a kind of Purgatory Lite. Your narrative has Jesus being resurrected and going into the lower parts of the earth on the day that he spoke to the thief whereas Jesus said he was going to be in the grave(hades or sheol) for three days.

Jesus "Preached" to the souls in Paradise and then led them into heaven ("When he ascended on high he led a host of captives, and he gave gifts to men.” Eph. 4:8; Psalm 68:18). The three days and three nights was in fulfillment of the Sign of Jonah. The thief that died the same day as Jesus DID go with him to Paradise and then up to heaven with the rest of the deceased redeemed.

How could Paradise be a "purgatory lite"??? There is no suffering going on there contrary to the other side of Hades where the lost DID and do suffer. When Jesus died on the cross and was buried, he descended into Paradise (AKA, Abraham's bosom) and led the souls out of that temporary holding place into Heaven. Paradise was where ALL the souls of the redeemed resided until Jesus opened Heaven for them. These souls of the redeemed are NOW in heaven abiding with Almighty God and will receive their glorified bodies at the Rapture when Jesus descends from heaven WITH them and they and us will rise up to meet the Lord in the air with incorrupt bodies and so shall we "ever be with the Lord" (I Thess. 4).

134 posted on 08/04/2013 2:50:52 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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