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To: Mrs. Don-o
>> and it is compatible with Scripture.<<

No it’s not. The entirety of scripture shows that the only sinless one to live is Jesus. There is not scriptural indication that anyone other than Christ was sinless in fact the opposite is true. Scripture teaches, and has been shown on this forum over and over again, that “all have sinned”. Additionally, the whole premise of Jesus as the perfect sacrifice is based on His sinlessness. If Mary had also been sinless she also would have been the “perfect sacrifice”. The teaching of a sinless Mary is anti scripture.

>> This has to do with the purification and usability of the resources of human cultures; it does NOT mean the adoption of pagan concepts which are incompatible with Christ.<<

Deuteronomy 12:30 Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise. 31 Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God:

Deuteronomy 12: 32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

>>Think of it. If all things in human cultures were unusable, we could not speak English (based on pagan language) or or even use the Greek terms (another pagan language.)<<

I would classify that typical Catholic mindset. None of those things were forms of worship to pagan gods/goddesses. That’s what I was talking about how the Catholic apologists work to deceive. They take innocuous subjects to somehow try to lead the listener/reader off track. It doesn’t work with the Holy Spirit filled believer. Just like the subject of my last post. The entire attempt at trying to make the reader believe the sinlessness of Mary was predicated on an error which was that “full of grace” meant sinlessness which it doesn’t. It’s no wonder that they need to mesmerize to deflect from the initial error.

168 posted on 07/30/2013 6:33:34 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: CynicalBear; BipolarBob
CB, I'm a little late getting back --- I had to go and tend my other thread

on the Federal Nudge Squad (LINK)

--- I invite you to go over there and visit, actually, because we've got to find some way to deal with the Feds and their insufferable ninny-nannies.


We seem to have come to the stone wall in the discussion. It's pretty obvious , when you think about it, that when Our Lord says "Whoever hears you, hears Me" he could not be talking abut each and every individual as such, since as you know then it would apply to me as an individual believer -- and you would certainly not accept my voice as the Voice of Christ --- and rightly so, I wouldn't accept my voice either; nor yours, CynicalBear; nor yours, Bipolar Bob. Nor Rick Warren's voice; nor Joel Ostein's ; nor Marvin Olasky's; and just imagine the 10,000 others.

All the individuals can differ, and do differ, sometimes radically, on matters of faith and morals, even though they all read the same Bible and pray for the gift of the same Holy Spirit.

So Jesus, in the passage above, must not mean individual voices. It must mean the Church as the Body of Christ, which alone can speak with one voice.

A person who sees the 'church' as just a fellowship of individuals, will not get this. Such a person recognizes either 1.7 billion supposed-to-be-Christian voices, even though they disagree with each other and are as incoherent as Babel; or, really, each person ends up with no voice but his own.

So good day to you, I leave you to your Babel or your solitude. Because you have no one else to listen to.

173 posted on 07/31/2013 5:35:38 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("If they refuse to listen even to the Church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.")
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