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To: Mrs. Don-o
Thank you, little jeremiah. I always hope, when I write to [insert name here], that there are sensible people reading it as well.

Two problems here...You guys claim that Jesus is in the monstrance...Perhaps this priest was bowing to the monstrance...

Trouble is: there's a man between the priest and the monstrance, facing the priest...The priest is clearly prostrating himself to the bishop, as the reporter correctly reports...

When Father Patrick Allen lay prostrate before the bishop for his diaconate ordination on June 29

Maybe the priest figured the bishop was an appearance of Jesus...Isn't that you guys are taught to believe when the priest 'consecrates the host'???

And you ignore the fact that Peter says, 'don't do this'...

Rev 22:8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.
Rev 22:9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.

Rev 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

Your OT examples have nothing to do with NT practices...While OT people bowed to kings who had great power over their lives and priests who were responsible for acquiring their atonement from God, there is only one legitimate King and atonement provider in the NT and that is Jesus Christ...

The Apostles make that very clear...

61 posted on 07/20/2013 8:50:53 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Iscool; Mrs. Don-o

IMHO, if people who disagree with particulars of Catholicism used their valuable time to try to convert atheists, their time would be better spent.

This is why I rarely post on any religion threads, because the criticism of different sects and denominations gets so bad that I know it is not good for the criticizers; and there are so many atheists or people who supposedly believe in God but have no real faith and need help. Why not spend energy outreaching to them?

I’m not even a Catholic but I respect any sincere Christian and am 100% sure that God does not care one way or another if someone prostrates before a bishop or not. But I am 100% sure that He is not pleased by people spending a lot of energy criticizing the practices of other religions, rather than trying to enlighten those in darkness.

In fact, the strong negative feelings about the Catholic faith really surprised me when I came to FR. I had no idea such existed. It is distasteful in the extreme and does no one any good.


70 posted on 07/20/2013 9:32:17 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Iscool
The reporter said he was prostrating himself "before" the bishop, not "to" the bishop. There's a difference.

But just between you and me, I think we Catholics know what our ordinations mean, and don't need either you or a reporter to tell us, in any case.

Have you ever actually been to a Catholic ordination? I'm pretty sure you haven't. I have. I think I and other Catholics are better authorities on the ceremonies of our faith than you are.

84 posted on 07/20/2013 10:15:12 PM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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