[CynicalBear]

>>Of all the arguments anyone could concoct against the idea that the saints can pray for us, the fact that they are dead has to be the most lamebrained.<<

Oh really?

Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. 6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.

[Arthur McGowan]

WHICH dead are being described?

Note: “under the sun.”