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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

“Or, we eeevil Calvinists could just read the whole thing, where it concludes: “and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God.” So is your “faith” of yourself, or is it the gift of God?”

Sorry, but the text does not support you. In the Greek, the gift is linked to salvation, not faith:

“That is, salvation does not proceed from yourselves. The word rendered “that” - touto- is in the neuter gender, and the word “faith” - pistis- is in the feminine. The word “that,” therefore, does not refer particularly to faith, as being the gift of God, but to “the salvation by grace” of which he had been speaking.”

God’s salvation is His gift. Saving faith is never called a gift in the Bible. Saving faith is something we do, or do not do:

“For John came to you in the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes believed him. And even when you saw it, you did not afterward change your minds and believe him.”

“Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. Through him we have also obtained access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and we rejoice in hope of the glory of God.”


64 posted on 07/12/2013 5:34:53 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: Mr Rogers

““That is, salvation does not proceed from yourselves. The word rendered “that” - touto- is in the neuter gender, and the word “faith” - pistis- is in the feminine. The word “that,” therefore, does not refer particularly to faith, as being the gift of God, but to “the salvation by grace” of which he had been speaking.””


From Gill’s commentary:

“”In this verse, to what does the word “that” refer to? Adam Clarke, Wesley & company say that it is neuter plural and “Faith” is feminine hence it cannot refer to faith, (Such an admission would destroy their theological system.) However “Grace” is also feminine as is “Salvation”.’’

“Saving faith is never called a gift in the Bible.”


Except that it is indeed described as coming from God, and not of ourselves. For example:

Joh 6:64-65 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him. (65) And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

Mat_16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Php_1:29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

Therefore, your assertions are totally false.


66 posted on 07/12/2013 5:40:46 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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