[Alex Murphy]

Too many of these ["extreme fundamentalists"] are the 5% crowd. i.e. you are an apostate and an enemy if you disagree with them on just 5% of their doctrinal dogmas. And make no mistake that they are dogmas, often in the extreme.

It's one thing to claim that someone else is damned based upon their adherence/refusal to a particular creed or statement. It's quite another thing for someone to refuse to document their own doctrines (or to change them on a whim), and then damn you for having violated them. Personality cults are spawned out of the latter behavior.

[ArrogantBustard]

It's one thing to claim that someone else is damned based upon their adherence/refusal to a particular creed or statement. It's quite another thing for someone to refuse to document their own doctrines (or to change them on a whim), and then damn you for having violated them. Personality cults are spawned out of the latter behavior.

Flame wars and all manner of other uncivil conduct are also spawned from it.

[Vigilanteman]

Yes they are. But much as global warming dogmatists claim it is settled science not subject to discussion, so do some Nicene dogmatists with their favorite dogma. See post #40 for a case in point.

Like Jan Hus, I do not even claim the Nicene Creed is false. I simply reject the notion that a majority of Christian religious leaders representing even a majority Christian denominations and called together by a political entity at one point in time can pronounce a doctrine or dogma as binding on everyone as some sort of litmus test to earn the right to call themselves Christian.

I hold that Jesus Christ himself will make that determination in his own way and time. In stating that belief, I concede that the Nicene Creed is as important to some as freedom of conscious is to me.

By the same token, I do not refuse the right of any liberal to hold and proselyte any belief which they wish, I only refuse to allow them to impose them on me.