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To: HarleyD
Hi, HD. Good to hear again from you.

You truncated my statement. In its entirely it was: First, we must deal with scripture such as "whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved." We must deal with the extent of the atonement, "not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world." "For God loved the world so much that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life."

The verses you posted are also very good ones for this discussion. However, an "unlimited atonement" and "particular salvation" seem more immediate to me.

After all, God did command everyone, everywhere to repent.

72 posted on 06/27/2013 5:04:49 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins
Hi X. You truncated my statement.

Seems like I'm getting accused of that a lot (twice on the same thread). :O)

It is meant to emphasize the point you're trying to bring up. Limited atonement is precisely what those verses in Psalms states. There are others. One cannot repent unless it is granted by God. We can safely say that everyone who has repented has done so because it was granted by the Father. We can also assume that since repentance must be granted by the Father, then there are some who God does not grant this ability to (e.g. the Jews and the hardening of their hearts).

Granted God does command everyone, everywhere to repent. But this ignores the point that everyone, everywhere do not want to repent on their own will. God gives us a beautifully land and we trash it with idols. God sends drought and wars and we complaint that He doesn't love us. We are stubborn and refuse to want to be reconciled to God.

For some God simply leave them in their state. For others God knocks them over the head and yanks them out of Sodom so that He may call out a people to bring glory to Himself (perfect love, perfect joy, perfect peace). It's not that Christians are any better than those who He passes over. Scripture tells us He takes the worst and He promises us persecution for what He has done. But that's OK. His mercy to some is to show mankind His truth and beauty-in all of our calousness. For believers He reveals the wickedness of our souls, the grace of His mercy, and His enduring love.

76 posted on 06/27/2013 6:03:19 PM PDT by HarleyD
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