Are most Catholics in America going to hell? [OPEN THREAD]

National Catholic Register ^ | 6/21/2013 | Jimmy Akin

[BlueDragon]

Oh...I see. Thanks for the note of correction. Richard McCormick, not ~Robert~. I'll plead too many tabs and windows open all at once as cover for my own error. (that a dollar or so of quarters might buy myself a phone call, too. If I had the need for a pay-phone, and could FIND one, hehheh)

Thanks for the link too.

Please forgive my not replying sooner, I didn't see your comment, but was distracted by another.

[daniel1212]

Most of any people are going to hell.

Tragically so, and do not seek to serve God.

However, it when such liberals become conservative evangelicals that the most concern is shown by RCs, who war against evangelicals, while relative little concern is shown about liberal Prots, as they are not a threat to th primacy of Rome, which is the most driving issue.

[BlueDragon]

(Tell you what, if the humourless Harold Campings of FR are going to Heaven, I’ll voluntarily take the ticket to the other place!)

Perhaps a third option could be considered. A fourth or fifth could get complicated. A guy could get really bummed out, too.

Choose door number three. It's the one that has a brand nEW CAR!!!

[ding-ding-ding-ding-ding, lights are flashing, the contestant is jumping up and down]

[daniel1212]

In my fifteen years of being a Catholic I have yet to hear a homily that mentioned the evils of contraception, pornography, cohabitation outside of marriage, etc. It makes it quite difficult for the average Catholic to be aware of these things when they are never discussed by the local deacon, priest or bishop.

That is a rather astounding statement. Is this from weekly attendance?

Be back tomorrow.

[daniel1212]

• AA 2008 Catholic commissioned survey of adult Catholics reported 68% of Catholics affirmed you could be a good Catholic without going to Mass every Sunday, and 55% thought of themselves as good Catholics. 77% of Catholics agreed they were proud to be Catholic, (85% of weekly attendees) and 61% agreed that sacraments were essential to their faith (83% of weekly attendees). 2008 poll of 1,007 self-identified adult Catholics by the Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate (CARA) at Georgetown University; http://cara.georgetown.edu/beliefattitude.pdf

• 43% of Catholics overall (and 36% of weekly attendees) affirmed they look to Catholic teachings and statements made the pope and bishops to form their conscience on what is morally acceptable . ^

• 36% of weekly attendees affirmed their Catholic faith was the most important part of their life, 39% said it was “among the most important.” ^

• 83% of Catholics affirmed that helping those in need was important to their sense of what it means to be a Catholic; 79% affirmed the Eucharist was, 73% said living according to Church teachings, 68% said devotion to Mary, and 66% said attending Mass. Catholics in the South are the most likely to say such things are “very important.” ^

• 75% of surveyed adult Catholics said they never doubted the Trinity, 68% that the Father created all we know of the Universe, 73% that Christ rose from the dead, 59% that there is a Hell, and 44% that the pope and bishops have taken the place of Peter and the apostles.

  Much more here: http://www.peacebyjesus.com/RC-Stats_vs._Evang.html#TOC

[boatbums]

This title might read: Are most Catholics Christians in America going to hell? [OPEN THREAD] How many non-Catholics practice contraception? Do they know it's a grave matter -- not allowing an egg to be fertilized? And if they know about it -- do they fully consent to contracepting? Definitely something for all of us who are reading this thread and DO KNOW that this is a mortal sin that can put one into hell.

Sin is sin. There is no difference between "mortal" and "venial" sins. That is a construct made up by Roman Catholicism. ALL have sinned and fall short of the perfection of God and the "wages" of sin is death. Christ paid for all sin by his shed blood. That is why if someone is a genuine Christian - in God's eyes, who knows His own - they will NOT be going to hell. That was the whole purpose of the sacrifice of Christ - to be our redeemer who sanctifies us by His blood and makes us as righteous as God because we are found IN Christ when we place our faith in Him.

I realize that Catholics have all kinds of different opinions about what is a "grave matter", but preventing fertilization of an egg is NOT equal in seriousness to abortion or contraceptives that act as abortifacients. Perhaps some Catholics understand that difference and may be why they ignore such strictures as not the Church's business what a husband and wife do within their family planning. Maybe they even see that there is little difference between using a condom and NFP (natural family planning) and view a little hypocrisy going on in that area.

[metmom]

Maybe they even see that there is little difference between using a condom and NFP (natural family planning) and view a little hypocrisy going on in that area.

Don't expect any progress in any FR Catholic seeing the hypocrisy of that position. Last time I asked them about the difference, the conversation screeched to a dead halt. they dropped the topic like a hot potato.

[metmom]

Christ paid for all sin by his shed blood. That is why if someone is a genuine Christian - in God's eyes, who knows His own - they will NOT be going to hell. That was the whole purpose of the sacrifice of Christ - to be our redeemer who sanctifies us by His blood and makes us as righteous as God because we are found IN Christ when we place our faith in Him.

2 Corinthians 5:21 For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

[metmom]

Do they know it's a grave matter -- not allowing an egg to be fertilized? And if they know about it -- do they fully consent to contracepting?

I guess that throws natural family planning out the window as well.

Is the next step is to condemn sex outside of the few days a woman is fertile?

[metmom]

Since Catholics believe that the magisterium ordinarily operates under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, the presumption should be in favor of the Pope’s declaration. Any such presumption, however, must also allow of the possibility that a Catholic can arrive at a carefully formed and critically tested conviction that in a given case the fallible magisterium has in fact erred. Nobody today denies that there are cases in which official, reformable teaching of the Holy See has in fact been erroneous. As examples, Rahner cites the views of Gregory XVI and Pius IX on liberal democracy, and various statements about the Bible issued in the aftermath of the Modernist crisis. It cannot therefore be assumed that a Catholic who conscientiously opposes the non-infallible doctrine of the magisterium, as it stands at a given moment, is necessarily disloyal.

The magisterium is fallible sometimes? Just how is the average lay Catholic to know when? Do they need someone to interpret their interpretation?

[RedHeeler]

As to the query- “Are most Catholics in America going to hell?”- No.

[metmom]

This title might read: Are most Catholics Christians in America going to hell? [OPEN THREAD]

No Christians are going to hell.

There are going to be those who THINK they're Christians or who call themselves Christians who are going to hell, but if one is really saved, really a Christian, they are not going to hell.

That's the whole point: being saved from hell. If you're going to hell, you're not saved and not a Christian.

[metmom]

As to the query- “Are most Catholics in America going to hell?”- No.

Considering that the majority of the Catholic vote votes liberal, I'd say that your assessment is wrong. By Catholic theology they answer would be *yes*

Unless you allow for Catholics who vote pro-abortion and pro-homosexual to go to heaven.

[RedHeeler]

Those folks ain’t catholic, then. Are they?

[metmom]

I don't believe that any denomination by default equates to being Christian.

Many people use the terms interchangeably as is Catholic = Christian or Baptist = Christian or Presbyterian = Christian or (fill in the blank) but Christian as used in the Bible refers to those who follow Jesus irrespective of where they attended church.

Acts 11:26 and when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. For a whole year they met with the church and taught a great many people. And in Antioch the disciples were first called Christians.

Being a Christian is being a disciple of Christ. Being a Catholic, Baptist, Presbyterian or (fill in the blank) is simply being a Catholic, Baptist, Presbyterian or (fill in the blank). You can be one of those without being a Christian.

[Elsie]

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John 6:28-29

Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”

Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”

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1 John 3:21-24

Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.

[Elsie]

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John 3:18

[Elsie]

Are most Catholics in America going to hell? [OPEN THREAD]

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Can't rightly say; but it REALLY looks bad for MORMONs!!!

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"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned;

and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given,

and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.

Brigham Young - JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)

[Elsie]

I figure it isn't my job to tell somebody the state of their own soul.

Then whose job IS it?

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[Elsie]

OTOH, it is my job to minimize the opportunities for them to rely upon "invincible ignorance" (to borrow a Pio Nono expression).

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