[patlin]

Is God one?

Does the Son say He and the Father are one?

Is not there only one household of God?

If the goal of what Paul is speaking of in Eph is to bring all into that one household, then how could the Son teach that the two are to remain separated?

If God says something is right and a sign of a covenant, can it ever be wrong and a sign of breaking covenant?

If God says something is wrong and an abomination to Him, can that something ever be right?

[trebb]

Sounds good at face value. What was the purpose of the message in Ephesians? Many have different opinions but one that seems to prevail is the unity we need to maintain. Especially the Jews who still tried to separate from/elevate above the Gentiles. That's what started this whole deal - many Jews wanted to keep requiring circumcision despite the overarching message that it was no longer an edict. Read what surrounds the "Fallen from Grace statement/chastisement.

Some folks seem to place religious doctrine above the message because they need reason to believe in the doctrine more than in the message. One of the reasons I don't like religion and tend to agree with those that maintain it is sinful.