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One is as irrational as the next. Proof is lacking from either argument.
Atheism is for idiots.
Everytime I walk into a Doctor's Office and see the anatomy charts on the wall, I think they resemble "wiring diagrams and schematics" for something incredibly complex. I have concluded that it takes a much greater leap of faith to conclude that this detailed anatomy bubbled up from swamp gas rather than from an Intelligent Design.
The simple truth is God is not an intellectual discussion. God is in your heart, spirit and soul. God is your belief. Men can scream all they want you can’t see God; but God is everywhere.
Atheism -- in the beginning there was nothing, and then it blew up.
The argument for God is inherently more logical.
An atheist recently said to me "your faith is like a penis. Its okay to have it and be proud of, but its not okay to shove down my throat."
I hadn't been trying to evangelize this guy at all, I just mentioned in passing something about my faith, and he jumped on it. In a divinely inspired streak of genius (in my opinion at least) I responded "so your an atheist, and have no faith in God." He said yes, that's right. "So you're trying to tell me you have no penis?"
I derived no little amusement from his resulting tantrum. Has anyone else noticed that these atheist types very frequently seem to have serious anger-management issues?
Believing in God takes FAITH. Not believing in God takes/requires nothing. An empty mind.
By definition the atheist’s worldview is materialist. That is they believe all there is is matter/energy. The question is in regards to rational thought. The atheist owes us an explaination as to the material makeup of rational thought, logic, and reason. If they cannot, they need to abandon their worldview.
Faith in some sort of transcendent mind is more logical than the very ‘magic’ idea that the universe popped into existence by itself. This is just an argument for theism though. You have to analyze other things to determine which faith is true.
“In other words, if there’s no creator, there can’t be a universe.”
I hear and read this assertion all the time and it is always stated as an axiom. I don’t think it is even a proper question to ask who created the universe because it denies that the universe is an absolute. Existence doesn’t need to be explained or justified, in my opinion. It just is. As far as we know it has always existed and always will. After all the big bang doesn’t say anything about the universe popping into existence from nothing. It simply says that at one time it was a very small package of energy or a singularity. If a god can “just be” why can’t existence. To say that God can “just be” and the universe has to have a creator or first cause is special pleading. If someone can prove that a god exists with evidence then fine but until then the only rational thing to do is to start with what we know, existence exists, and go on from that point and learn as much as we can about it with reason and logic and not fill the gaps in our knowledge with articles of faith.
The alternative to a creator is not random chance or accidents. It is natural law. Who created the natural laws? That is another improper question, in my opinion. The natural laws are absolutes and don’t need a cause. They just are. Again to be consistent, if a god can exist without a cause then so can natural laws or else it is another case of special pleading.
Given the astounding number of factors that had to have their outcomes fit in very narrow windows for life to exist and teh massviely minimal probability of all of those things occurring, it’s much more rational, applying Occam’s Razor, to presume that something “drove” the process than that it just happened by accident. Thus, it’s much more rational to believe in God than to believe in atheism.
Say, is the atheist deity Nogod?
Logic begins with premises. Premises are not proof
I think it is MUCH better to believe in God. Heck if he doesn’t exist than we had a great life because of God. If he does exist, I am sure glad I believe because those who don’t....look out.
With God you at least have hope.
Atheism leaves you with nothing...
If believing in God was purely rational all rational be would believe in God. Being smart would replace faith.
John 6:44 NIV
New International Version
“No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day.
Let's just remember that using "God" in the sense of "that undefined entity that jumpstarted the Big Bang" is not equivalent to "God" as "that 3-in-1 personage as defined in the Nicene Creed", and to prove the first is not to prove the second.
Great exposition.
No discernible cause, perhaps, but this very observation is evidence for some "driving force" (whatever name you choose to give it.)
What is being talked about here is quantum nonlocality. Quantum theory tells us that all there is in the Universe is energy and information, and that things as energy are everywhere until we focus on them (provide, accept, transmit the information about them -- really about our perception of them), at which time they become localized, concertized, locked into a certain definitive form. Isn't that just exactly what God, the Creator, the Universal Creative Mind, does?
So the fact that we do this (as quantum physics shows us) shows our status as "the image and likeness of God."
But it can come from No-Thing, AKA The Thing Itself, AKA God.