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To: NYer
"The issue of the Church’s historical roots was crucial to me, for the thing I had found in the Catholic Church and in no Protestant church was simply this: the massive historical fact that there she is, majestic and unsinkable."

Doctor Kreeft should visit Europe more often. The Catholic churches are quiet places and it isn't because of the massive reverence. If you close your eyes and listen, you can hear the slow gurgling of Secularism's waters swallowing the pathetic remains. Granted, the (liberal) Protestants fare no better on this score, but they don't go about calling themselves "majestic and unsinkable."

Almost everything that is happening in European Christianity is in those bare and spare evangelical (to use the American term) congregations, yet they somehow prosper without supposedly indispensible sacred images and objects. When we rely on the "majesty" of the visible Church, we are not focused on the incomparable Majesty of God.

61 posted on 06/07/2013 6:35:20 PM PDT by cookcounty (IRS = Internal Revenge Service.)
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To: cookcounty

Well, there’s a claimed mystical identification of the church that the Christ declared with the Roman organization. To me, this strikes me as a massive begged question. Ultimately spiritual claims have to be tested empirically. Demons don’t want the praise of the Father from the heart in the Son, and yet many an evangelical does just that per nothing but the bible. The idea that humans have to interpose, not just participate in doing the introductions to God and then as empowered and guided by the Spirit provide guidance and encouragement to already made believers, is human self glorifying. It’s a huge temptation and in Christian circles it’s not only Roman Catholicism where such self worship is seen... we all know about the stereotypical Baptist church that says all the other Baptist churches are going to hell because “only our preacher has the right doctrine....”


63 posted on 06/07/2013 6:52:24 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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