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To: polishprince
But no one will

Scripture reference? I can point to at least one passage that says that spiritually dead people make the decision on their own, and God meets him after he starts that journey.

48 posted on 06/05/2013 4:45:13 PM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce

Several for starters...being on the old I do not have access to materials so these are just from memory also will attach 2 links , one from beottner and the other from piper that explains the position very well.

http://m.ccel.org/ccel/boettner/predest.iv.ii.html beottner

http://www.monergism.com/thethreshold/articles/piper/depravity.html piper

Rom 3:10-12
John 6:44 the word draw in the Greek means literally to drag...
http://interlinearbible.org/john/6-44.htm John 6:44 in Greek
http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G1670&t=KJV STRONGS CONCORDANCE OF GREEK NUMBER 1670
Other verses which use the same word. James 2:6, John 21:6,11, Acts 16:19, Acts 21:30

back to other verses for no one seeking God
1cor 2:14
2 cor 4:4
eph 4:17-18
Isa 6:47
Rom 8:7-8
Jer 13:23
Matt 11:27
1 Sam 24:13
Matt 7:18


51 posted on 06/05/2013 6:31:33 PM PDT by polishprince
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To: ShadowAce
* But no one will *

" Scripture reference? "

Why sure... here you go...
Yes, it's in the bible, God's own word.

Romans 3:11: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

Psalm 53:2-3: 2. God looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, that did seek God.

3. Every one of them is gone back: they are altogether become filthy; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

Psalm 14:3: They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

Romans 3:10 As it is written: "There is no one righteous, not even one;

" I can point to at least one passage that says that spiritually dead people make the decision on their own, and God meets him after he starts that journey. "

That's not what the bible says.

Ephesians 2

1. And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

2. Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

3. Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

4. But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

5. Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)


That quickened or rather make alive is by and through the holy spirit.... not by man's efforts and strength.
Man's efforts is that is of the flesh, rotten, decay, corrupt, dead.
That is of the flesh is flesh, and that is of the spirit is spirit.
That of the flesh is carnal and is at emmity at God, at war with God.

This what Jesus had to say about it.

John

3. Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

4. Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

5. Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

6. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

7. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

8. The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.


Can you ? make your self be born ? or born again ? it's the work of God's spirit alone.

58 posted on 06/05/2013 8:12:12 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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