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To: Steelfish
But the “trans-substantiated” Eucharist now represents the Christ actually coming into your soul.

This is just plain stupid...It's stupid to believe it and even more stupid to repeat it...

There is no connection whatsoever between someone's stomach and their soul and spirit...

You guys claim Jesus IS the cracker...So when the cracker gets digested, either Jesus leaves the cracker and the physical becomes spiritual and passes thru your stomach into where ever your soul is, and the cracker ends up in the toilet...

Or, Jesus doesn't leave the cracker, both Jesus and the cracker who are one according to you guys goes into the toilet...

Or the final one: the cracker goes into your stomach and doesn't come out the other end...All of it since it really isn't a cracker after all passes thru your stomach into your soul...

So which one are you claiming???

51 posted on 06/02/2013 4:23:23 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Iscool

This is foolishness beyond belief. It’s not “You guys” who said this. This is what Christ did at the Last Supper and sent Peter and His Apostles to do likewise. It is the belief of the very early Christian community. You folks are the type of “Sola Scriptura” idiots whose “reasoning” tries to trump the actions of the Christ, his Disciples, the early saints and martyrs, and the learned doctors of the Church and the 2000 year unbroken history of the One, True, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. And we are told to go search the tens of thousands of wild mushrooms and their beliefs. Go figure!


59 posted on 06/02/2013 4:40:48 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Iscool
"This is just plain stupid..."

I'm sure Laplace Transforms are "stupid" to those who lack the education or capacity to understand them, but without them you would not have a computer or internet. If you do not possess or understand an elementary knowledge of philosophy you can neither understand nor explain transubstantiation.

When one looks at the bread the priest uses in the Sacrament it is round, white, flat and has a specific texture. The whiteness is not the bread, it is simply a quality the bread has. The roundness is not the bread, nor is the texture or flatness. There is something there that has the qualities, properties, and attributes that philosophers call accidents. Whiteness, roundness, flatness we see. Texture is something we feel. There are other properties like smell and taste. There are many other properties discoverable only by scientific instrumentation. It is possible that other objects share the same whiteness, roundness, flatness that are not bread. No single sense can perceive all the properties. It is important to note that the senses perceive the accidents only the mind can aggregate them to discover the substance.

As was the case with the incarnate Jesus, all of the human properties were present, but only faith could reveal His divine substance. Throughout His ministry He often performed miracles, observable by human senses to give evidence of his Divinity but the human senses of the witnesses could only observe the accidents of the properties. In the case of the Eucharist we see with faith what we cannot experience with our senses. With faith we are given a new power of the intellect. In faith, by the revelation of Christ we know that the substance has changed. Like the miracles and signs offered by Jesus we continue to experience Eucharistic miracles as continued evidence such as the Miracle of Lanciano.

Note also that were we to observe the bread turning into a chunk of flesh the phenomenon would be called transmutation instead of transubstantiation.

Peace be with you

81 posted on 06/02/2013 5:43:22 PM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a book, He left us a Church.)
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