You don't like the English, and asked me to go to the Greek. Estin = Estin throughout Scripture. What it proves is that you have no linguistic or logical position for your beliefs. You can't answer simple questions. Maybe the Devil has clouded your thinking...
"Who, but the devil, has granted such license of wresting the words of the holy Scripture? Who ever read in the Scriptures, that my body is the same as the sign of my body? or, that is is the same as it signifies? What language in the world ever spoke so? It is only then the devil, that imposes upon us by these fanatical men. Not one of the Fathers of the Church, though so numerous, ever spoke as the Sacramentarians: not one of them ever said, "It is only bread and wine; or, the body and blood of Christ is not there present."
Surely, it is not credible, nor possible, since they often speak, and repeat their sentiments, that they should never (if they thought so) not so much as once, say, or let slip these words: It is bread only; or the body of Christ is not there, especially it being of great importance, that men should not be deceived. Certainly, in so many Fathers, and in so many writings, the negative might at least be found in one of them, had they thought the body and blood of Christ were not really present: but they are all of them unanimous.” –Luther’s Collected Works, Wittenburg Edition, no. 7 p, 391
What? Quote Luther when he agrees with Catholicism on a point? Now how does that work when the author of this thread smears all “Protestants” as being wrong on the subject?