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To: DaveMSmith

I agree with the Pope. If you know about the church but somehow you didn’t really understand, then you can be saved.
Therefore everybody is covered.


3 posted on 05/27/2013 7:49:21 AM PDT by oldbrowser (We have a rogue government in Washington)
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To: oldbrowser

No, it doesn’t work that way at all. The Pope is 100% wrong. There would be no need for Christ in your “universal salvation” scenario.


9 posted on 05/27/2013 7:56:39 AM PDT by sigzero
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To: oldbrowser

>>I agree with the Pope. If you know about the church but somehow you didn’t really understand, then you can be saved. Therefore everybody is covered.

Everyone is covered (i.e. there are no “ethic” or “national” Christians), but not everyone is saved. Jesus died for the redemption of the world, but each person has to proclaim that he accepts Christ as his savior.

Otherwise, you are in the Law and will be judged according to the Law. Good luck atheists with that First Commandment.


12 posted on 05/27/2013 7:57:13 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: oldbrowser

There is a difference between “redemption” and “salvation”. Think collectively and individually. Everyone is redeemed but it’s up to the individual to be saved.


13 posted on 05/27/2013 7:57:16 AM PDT by Carpe Cerevisi
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To: oldbrowser

Exactly! All are saved, but you have to accept your salvation for it to have any effect on your life and after life.


14 posted on 05/27/2013 7:57:50 AM PDT by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR!)
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To: oldbrowser

You may want to read the Bible... That is not at all what the word of God says.

The word tells us that there are many people who are like dust in the wind, and they will die and not be remembered, like dry grass.

They will perish and be nothing. That is the truth.

Of course it is easier to give in to sin, and pretend that we don’t know better, and then use the loophole that everyone is saved anyway. So why bother?

If everyone is covered with a loop hole, then why did Jesus tells us to be perfect, to shed our sin and follow him, and to be examples so we can lead others?


16 posted on 05/27/2013 8:04:43 AM PDT by Truth2012
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To: oldbrowser

How so many conveniently forget it is not automatic.
John, 14:6.
“Jesus said unto him, “I am that Way, and that Truth, and that Life. No man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”
1599 Geneva Bible


19 posted on 05/27/2013 8:08:02 AM PDT by mazda77
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To: oldbrowser
Matthew 7:13

13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.

20 posted on 05/27/2013 8:08:58 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (Some days...it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps....)
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