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To: RobbyS; daniel1212
this single priests private view of what is right and true It boils down to a question of authority.

Are you that ill informed? Someone's private view is right and true for you? I have to stop laughing for a bit to make this statement.

GOD'S Word has the ONLY Truth there is - for He IS Truth. He IS Who He IS and that makes HIM the ONLY Way and through Him ALONE is Eternal Life.

That's the reason HIS OWN are His Own - they obey and listen to Him ALONE and never to 'another'.

I'll just presume your children listen to others as 'your word' holds NO AUTHORITY in your house - since you apparently don't 'get it'.

64 posted on 05/26/2013 12:01:36 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name

Indeed God’s Word is supreme and that means Christ, not a book.


71 posted on 05/26/2013 2:12:24 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: presently no screen name; RobbyS

He means because Luther rejected Rome as the supreme authority then that translates into the exaltation of the individual as the supreme authority on what the true Gospel is, versus Rome which has “infallibly” declared herself conditionally infallible. And and upon this premise the RC has his real assurance, not on the weight of Scriptural warrant or history, as evidence from such only have authority for an RC if Rome gives it.

However, to reiterate and expand, Robby’s polemic presumes that Luther was like a pope (the supreme exaltation of the individual), as are individual SS type Christians, presuming infallibility, and rejecting the church magisterium, but which they are not to do, except as being worthy of unconditional submission.

Moreover his model presumes that truth is determined by a perpetually infallible magisterium, rather than upon Scriptural substantiation, with truth being established among the elect due to that, like as writings were established as Scripture and truth preserved before there ever was a church in Rome. And thus the church began in dissent from those who, like Rome, presumed to “think of men above that which is written.” (1Cor. 4:6)

Basically, under the Roman model, the holy man in the desert in a hairy garment and eating insects was to be rejected, as was the Itinerant Preacher from Galilee, as they both reproved those who actually did sit in the seat of Moses and whom would not sanction the Baptist nor the Christ. Or the church that He began, with His and its claims being established upon Scriptural substantiation in word and in power, as it is the only tangible transcendent source that is affirmed to be wholly inspired of God.

Rather than exalting a church that proclaims how great it is, and all other Christians are second class at best, this means of establishment of truth requires the church to persuade souls as those who have “renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God.” (2 Corinthians 4:2)

This is much more difficult and thus the recourse to asserting you are infallible and calling for implicit obedience, and which is cultic unless you are God.

“The intolerance of the Church toward error, the natural position of one who is the custodian of truth, her only reasonable attitude makes her forbid her children to read or to listen to heretical controversy, or to endeavor to discover religious truths by examining both sides of the question.”

“The reason of this stand of his is that, for him, there can be no two sides to a question which for him is settled; for him, there is no seeking after the truth: he possesses it in its fulness, as far as God and religion are concerned.” (John H. Stapleton, Explanation of Catholic Morals, Chapters XIX, XXIII)

“Absolute, immediate, and unfaltering submission to the teaching of God’s Church on matters of faith and morals-——this is what all must give..”

“The Vicar of Christ is the Vicar of God; to us the voice of the Pope is the voice of God. This, too, is why Catholics would never dream of calling in question the utterance of a priest in expounding Christian doctrine according to the teaching of the Church;”

“He is as sure of a truth when declared by the Catholic Church as he would be if he saw Jesus Christ standing before him and heard Him declaring it with His Own Divine lips.” (Henry G. Graham, “What Faith Really Means”)


85 posted on 05/26/2013 7:11:08 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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