[mitch5501]

"Eternal LIFE is not salvation?"

Not necessarily...

Revelation 14:11 "And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name."

[DaveMSmith]

I think the opposite of eternal life is death or eternal damnation. Your quote does not state 'life' for those tormented.

Actually, it's funny you quote that verse - Swedenborg says it is the fate of those who are of faith divorced from charity that falsify the Word.

[daniel1212]

Note that DaveMSmith is part of Swedenborgianism and which was countered extensively in such threads as here and here (and scroll up both pages) .

[cuban leaf]

Revelation 14:11 “And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.”

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Technically, I believe that is a pretty small subset of the non-believers. Also, the word interpretted as “for ever and ever” does not necessarily mean what most people think when they read the phrase “for ever and ever”.

If your auto manual said you should change the oil in your car ever 7,000 miles “for ever and ever”, it would be interpreted to mean “until you no longer have the car”. A lot of the english translations of “forever” in the bible don’t really mean “for time neverending”. In fact, in some cases it was a short time indeed.