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To: Dutchboy88

Yeshua stated plainly to the pharisees that forgiveness of sins was equivalent to healing.

Problem is that most can’t even admit to themselves that they’ve sinned, let alone confess and repent. They think the recital of the “sinner’s prayer” way back when is all that they need to experience the kingdom; no growth, no sanctification, no fruit, just a golden insurance policy.


67 posted on 05/22/2013 3:48:28 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor; MarkBsnr
"Yeshua stated plainly to the pharisees that forgiveness of sins was equivalent to healing."

We may be getting somewhere. I am curious as to the exact location of the texts supporting this claim. Please do not paint in broad strokes, but provide book, chapter and verse in which Jesus stated this "plainly".

Incidentally, Yeshua is a transliteration of a Hebrew/Aramaic name. Do you use this appelation because it sounds/looks more biblical or seems more reverential? The NT text refers to Him as Ι η σ ο υ σ, but there is no need to trot out Greek to honor Him. Represent Him truthfully and the reverence will be obvious.

"Problem is that most can’t even admit to themselves that they’ve sinned, let alone confess and repent. They think the recital of the “sinner’s prayer” way back when is all that they need to experience the kingdom; no growth, no sanctification, no fruit, just a golden insurance policy."

I certainly do not subscribe to the "sinner's prayer" club. That is simply another of the free-will gang's errant doctrines. I do, however, freely (driven, I should say) admit to you and anyone interested that I am a vile, undeserving, fallen, broken, filthy sinner. There is no worth on board. But, Paul is clear that believers hope to be found in Him, not having a righteousness of their own, but from Jesus, granted through faith...and even this is a gift, not as a result of works, lest we brag about our performance.

But, disgust about a sanctimonious, smug, errant anti-nomian should not color your representation of the promises of Christ. We need evidence that Jesus promised healthy physical lives (your original claim) if a person believed. And, please supplement this with support from the epistles as continuing for Gentile believers. After all...Eph. 2:11ff. The cross changed everything.

71 posted on 05/23/2013 9:48:48 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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