***The Hebrew day precedes the Roman/Modern day by 6 hours.***
Well of course it does. that makes April 6, 8 P.M. Thursday the equivalent of start of the Hebrew Friday as their day began at sundown. So to the Hebrew it would be Nisan 14 at 8PM, the beginning of their day count. The Roman Thursday would be ending and the Hebrew friday had already started.
Friday was April 7 by Roman count, and Nisan 14 by Hebrew count.
Friday crucified and buried. Saturday Sabbath and Passover, Sunday resurection, “This is the third day”..
They were traveling so it was NOT a Sabbath day.
I refuse to believe you could really be this dense. But, I will play along for the benefit of lurkers who are still not sure.
If April 6th, Thursday..... was the full moon.... when did the day begin according to the Naval Observatory? At 12:01 A.M.....correct? There was a full moon at midnight immediately after Wednesday, April the 5th had concluded. The Hebrew months are 29 or 30 days because the moon cycle is about 29.5 days from new moon to new moon. Consequently....the full moon in any Hebrew month rises after sundown of the 14th as the day turns into the 15th. The major Feasts (except Pentecost & Trumpets) begin on the 15th.
The naval observatory explains that the full moon rose on the 6th of April which as the calendar shows is the 15th of Nisan. That day....the Hebrew 15th began on the sundown of April 5 and continued to be April 5 until midnight. When April 6th started.....Nisan 15 had already been in effect for a few hours since sundown.
Yeshua was not crucified on the Feast [II Chronicles 35:1][Matthew 26:5]. He was put on the stake, died and was entombed all on the 14th which your own link shows was Wednesday.....the day before the full moon of the Feast, Thursday.
Friday was April 7 by Roman count, and Nisan 14 by Hebrew count.
May I ask a silly question. If the Naval Observatory says that the full moon rose on the 6th of April and it was a Thursday.....how does this magically become Friday in your mind? If they are correct (which is a good assumption) then the day before the full moon would be a Wednesday....not a Friday. The Passover always occurs the day before the Full moon.....not the day after. This means that Passover, Nisan 14, 30 A.D. (according to your own link) occurred on Wednesday. The full moon occurs on the Feast....the 15th. That, according to the Naval Observatory was the 6th of April 30 A.D. and it began one second after Wednesday the 5th of April ended.
Hebrew/Modern calendar showing April 6th to be the same day as Nisan 15.......the Feast, 30 A.D.
At the time of the Feast Joseph and Nicodemus had just entombed Yeshua as the sun went down [John 19:14; 19:31; 19:41-42].
Ruy, you have been doing a great job but i am afraid you are dealing eithr with a cultist who’s hatred for the Catholic Church has blinded him to Biblical truth or someone who is so ignorant of the Scriptures, he can’t understand what you are saying. In either case, we need to pray for his soul.
he admits in post #276 that Jesus rose on the third day. ok, you would think if everyone agrees on that point, we can then move forward to find truth.
when is “the third day” in the Scriptures? well, according to Jesus in Luke 13:31-33, the third day is the day after tomorrow. when is tomorrow? tomorrow is the day after today. the way Jesus counts days in Luke 13 is entirely consistent with the rest of the Scriptures, Exodus 19:10-11 and Acts 10:1-30 are further confirmation of how days are counted. the Jews to this day still count days the same way, so a male baby born on a Wednesday must be circumcised by the 8th day, which means by sundown the following Wednesday ( the day of birth counting as day one )
so our friend puts forth his unique theory of a wednesday death and a 7th day sabbath rising from the dead. does this theory fit with Jesus rising on the third day? Let’s look:
wednesday - day one
thursday - tomorrow = day two
friday - day after tomorrow = third day
so if we count days the way Jesus did in Luke 13, a wednesday crucifixion would mean He rose from the dead on friday, since that is the third day from wednesday. utterly impossible and Luke 24 proves it is impossible.
Luke 24 occurs on Sunday, the first day of the week. v1 says “ but on the first day of the week “. this of course follows Luke 23:56, which tells us the women rested on the 7th day sabbath, according to the commandment.
Further in Luke 24, v13 tells us the conversation on he road to Emmaus happened “that very day”, i.e. it is still the first day of the week. Luke 24:21 is the key verse in all of the Bible for telling us exactly what day Jesus died andon which day He rose, since it says “ and besides all this, it is now the THIRD DAY since these things happened”. of course, the “these things” refers to v20 where they are discussing His crucifixion.
here is where logic has to be used - if the first day of he week is the third day since the crucifixion occurred, and Jesus was to rise ON THE THIRD DAY, Jesus had to have risen from the dead ON THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK. ( the day Christians have taught and believed for 2,000 years )
But on what day did He die? Following the Biblical rule of how to count days, we KNOW He died on Friday:
Friday - day one
Saturday - tomorrow - day two
Sunday - day after tomorrow - the third day
well, well, well, what do you know? historical Christianity has been right all along. the Universal Faith spread across the known world from the Apostles taught that Jesus died on Friday and rose on Sunday, the third day. and yes, this Faith also teaches that the 7th day Sabbath observance ended at the cross and the rest for the Christian is now resting “ in Christ” and His sacrificial death which reconciles us to the Father.
Ruy, Luke 24 is also confirmation that you are quite correct that the phrase “ first of the sabbaths” is another way of saying the first day of the week ( as every Greek scholar would acknowledge ) Luke 24 occurs the day after the 7th day Sabbath, the women are no longer resting and the two disciples would not be on the road to Emmaus if it were still the Sabbath.
btw - i loved #276 and the fanciful story of the disciples fleeing Jerusalem for fear the Roman soldiders were after them, that was such fiction it was Dan Brown worthy. such nonsense, but those that attack the Christian Faith are forced into fanciful theories never heard of for 2,000 years!