"Fair?" Before you ask any questions you need to state clearly whether you hold that those who believe as i do, because of why i do, are likely or surely lost because of that. Is 7th day sabbath keeping and or the dietary laws necessary as part of believing in Christ for salvation?
As for your challenge, that is based upon your claim on how sabbaton and sabbatwn is used is correct versus others, and so "first day of the sabbath" cannot mean first day of the week, and per usual, you relegate disagreement with you to being due to impure motive and a conspiracy of sorts.
Sorry, but you already tried to force sabbath in Col. 2:16 to refer to other than the sabbath shadow it is, and to disallow dogma as the law of commandments from referring to the 4th commandment, and considering the cardinal importance you make keeping the 7th day besides feasts and dietary laws, i do not buy the idea that God would not reiterate the 4th commandment as did the other 9, while speaking of the sabbath in the context of shadow, as with laws on diet, etc.
As for getting into finer distinctions , i will let you argue that with those who extensively debate this and scholars, one of which states in part,
Further evidence that the weekly Sabbath is in view stems from the New Testament usage of the word sabba,twn. This word is used sixty times in the New Testament in both the singular and plural, always referring to the seventh-day Sabbath.1 While Adventists themselves admit that fifty-nine times it refers to the weekly Sabbath, they still insist based upon "context" that Colossians 2:16 remains the only use of the word for ceremonial sabbaths.2 Such alleged contextual evidence is lacking. It appears that the normal meaning for sabba,twn has been abandoned to maintain a moral/ceremonial dichotomy within the Law. Bruce adds, "When the sabbath is mentioned in the OT or the NT with no contextual qualification, the weekly sabbath in intended."3
Finally, the use of the plural also does not argue for the ceremonial Sabbaths in that it is simply a Hebraism.4 As such the plural is commonly used in Scripture with a singular sense in reference to the weekly Sabbath.1 The translators of the Septuagint also felt free to employ the exact plural form (sabba,twn) in their translation of the singular tB;V'h' in the Decalogue itself (Exod. 20:8; Deut. 5:12), as well as in many other passages where the singular weekly Sabbath is in view.2 (Richard J. Griffith, “The Eschatological Significance of he Sabbath,” ThD diss., Dallas Seminary, 1990, pp. 164-171)
As for me, it is far more important that a soul has the kind of heart of faith that God has salvific regard to, for The Lord is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit. (Psalms 34:18)
Thus my question to you for which i still await your answer. If it is clearly in the affirmative, then you should be able to agree to disagree, and if not, then it affirms that you are of an elitist sect which your doctrine and manner seems to indicate.
First of all......I don't need to do anything! But I'll tell you this. If your creator issues a commandment and you purposely break it.....knowing what the truth is......He's not going to be delighted with you. I don't judge you (or anyone). I'm here to show the uninformed, the misinformed and the totally misguided what the scriptures really say.....not what they have been taught for 1700 years. Now....if you don't know the truth.....or you simply misunderstand the truth....I guess you'll have to be taught at a later date.
Many good folks understand who Yahweh is....and they understand the purpose of the crucifixion. The reason they don't understand other things is generally not their fault. It's what they've been taught from childhood.....and most of it is wrong!
As for your challenge, that is based upon your claim on how sabbaton and sabbatwn is used is correct versus others, and so "first day of the sabbath" cannot mean first day of the week, and per usual, you relegate disagreement with you to being due to impure motive and a conspiracy of sorts.
It's simple. The Greeks had no word for Sabbath. It's a Hebraism transliterated into the Koine. Shabbath is SABBATON. Shabbathown is SABBATWN. If you were to write the words....."The First day of the Week" in the Koine you would write......"PROTOS HEMERA TES EBDOMADOS". Instead....all the resurrection passages are written, "MIA TWN SABBATWN"....or "First of the Sabbaths".
Strong's #7676 shabbath; intermission, i.e (specifically) the Sabbath:--(+ every) sabbath.
Strong's #7677 shabbathown; sabbatism or special holiday:--rest, sabbath.
Shabbathown is carried into the Greek as SABBATWN and it does not mean "Week"!
Sorry, but you already tried to force sabbath in Col. 2:16 to refer to other than the sabbath shadow it is, and to disallow dogma as the law of commandments from referring to the 4th commandment, and considering the cardinal importance you make keeping the 7th day besides feasts and dietary laws, i do not buy the idea that God would not reiterate the 4th commandment as did the other 9, while speaking of the sabbath in the context of shadow, as with laws on diet, etc.
Well....I have an idea. Since you reject the truth...why don't you just ignore any and all postings from me....and then you won't have to worry about it anymore. I'm not here to explain things to totally corrupted individuals. I'm here to reach the few who may still have some questions in their minds as to how the Roman Church has totally falsified just about everything they came in contact with.
And I forced nothing into [Colossians 2:16]. What I did was remove some additions to scripture made by biased translators. Look at the italics for verification in any Bible.
Further evidence that the weekly Sabbath is in view stems from the New Testament usage of the word sabba,twn. This word is used sixty times in the New Testament in both the singular and plural, always referring to the seventh-day Sabbath.1 While Adventists themselves admit that fifty-nine times it refers to the weekly Sabbath, they still insist based upon "context" that Colossians 2:16 remains the only use of the word for ceremonial sabbaths.2 Such alleged contextual evidence is lacking. It appears that the normal meaning for sabba,twn has been abandoned to maintain a moral/ceremonial dichotomy within the Law. Bruce adds, "When the sabbath is mentioned in the OT or the NT with no contextual qualification, the weekly sabbath in intended."3
I'm not an Adventist and don't know (or care) what they believe. If you wish to check the usage of the word SABBATWN in the New Testament.......please do. You'll find it's in use describing Feast Days or the seven Sabbaths of the Omer....not the regular weekly Sabbath.
Thus my question to you for which i still await your answer. If it is clearly in the affirmative, then you should be able to agree to disagree, and if not, then it affirms that you are of an elitist sect which your doctrine and manner seems to indicate.
I belong to no sect, denomination or any type of corporate religious entity. And..........I judge no one. The information is here for those who wish to pursue their understanding [Proverbs 25:2]. For those who don't....C'est la Vie!