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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

**So, basically, when Christ says “I am the First and the Last” He is speaking of the Father within Him, and not really of Himself, but in the same sentence when He says “who was dead, and is alive”, He’s reverted to speaking to Himself.**

You can’t separate the Father (Spirit), and the Son (tabernacle of flesh, complete with mind and soul; the image of the invisible God). The Christ said: “I and my Father are ONE.” John 10:30. The image died, but the Spirit raised it back up, and is there to this day.

I pointed out in John 14, how the Christ is the visible word of God, speaking the words of God the Father, Who dwells in him, but you don’t believe his words (John 1:1) are from the Father, but are a separate entity of God.

He tells you again in John 15:15, where he addresses his disciples: “..I have called you my friends; for ALL things that I have HEARD of my Father I have made known unto you.

**Your god doesn’t exist. Only Jesus Christ does. Therefore, I cannot be blessed by you.**

Only Jesus Christ is God, because he has all power (the Father in him).

You avoided dealing with the phrases ‘God the Son’, and ‘God the Holy Ghost’, which are not in the scriptures, just as you avoided John 14. Those phrases are divisive; portraying God to be more than one object in number, which his Word completely disagrees with. But your carnal understanding is what has been taught by men of carnal understanding.

Understanding the Godhead is a revelation given by the Father; “And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto you, but my Father which is in heaven.” Matt. 16:17


629 posted on 05/13/2013 8:03:21 PM PDT by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....nearly 2,000 years and still working today!)
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To: Zuriel

“You can’t separate the Father (Spirit), and the Son (tabernacle of flesh, complete with mind and soul; the image of the invisible God). The Christ said: “I and my Father are ONE.” John 10:30. The image died, but the Spirit raised it back up, and is there to this day.”


If that’s what the scriptures meant, they would say that clearly. It would say “In the beginning, God created His own voice, who cannot be spoken of as being separate from Himself, who would be His vessel on Earth, who, by the way, is also not a voice but is a created being and is therefore a separate being from the Father.” Here is the Word being with God (separate), and being God (One), both at the same time:

John 1:1-3?(From memory): In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by Him, and without Him was not anything made that was made.

It does not speak of Christ as being a human vessel of flesh, mind and bone, a mere vessel for the “soul” of the Father. The scripture speaks of Christ existing with the Father from the beginning. And this same Christ calls Himself the ‘First and the Last’ and “the almighty.” He similarly receives worship, not because of the Father in Him, but because of who He is personally. It’s quite specious to claim that when Christ says of Himself “I am the First and the Last,” He really means NOT Himself, but someone else, but when He continues to say “which was dead and is alive,” suddenly He speaks of Himself.

“You avoided dealing with the phrases ‘God the Son’, and ‘God the Holy Ghost’, which are not in the scriptures, just as you avoided John 14. “


You’ve avoided giving even a coherent theological position. Aside from confusion, what is it that you actually believe? Either Christ is a created being separate from the Father, or He is God and has always been with the Father. Either way, you seem to say whatever it takes to get by.


634 posted on 05/13/2013 8:28:13 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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