[JCBreckenridge]

Again they accept the same lists of books as Canon. Can we proceed onto the real issues - that of Petrine Primacy?

[daniel1212]

Again they accept the same lists of books as Canon

The list differs, unless you refused to read what they variously said, as provided. More:

Can You Tell Me How Many Books Are There In The Orthodox Bible?

The Old Testament

"The official version of the Old Testament authorized by the Orthodox Church for use in worship and reading is that of the Septuagint. The number of books in the Septuagint Old Testament edition of the Bible are forty-nine books, twenty-seven in the New Testament."

"The Roman Catholic edition omits two books from the Old Testament. The Council of Trent, in the third session (1546), excludes Ist Esdras and the 3rd Maccabees that was confirmed by the Vatican Council of 1870. The preservation of all the Holy Books of the Holy Bible expresses the vigilance of the Orthodox Church in guarding and preserving the Bible and its truth throughout the ages unadulterated." (Source: What Is The Holy Bible? by Rev. George C. Papademetriou, Ph.D., Director of the Library and Instructor of Systematic Theology, Hellenic College/Holy Cross Greek Orthodox School of Theology., Brookline, Massachusetts., 1986., pp.3-4). Quoted in "Holy Scripture In The Orthodox Church," "The Bible," Compiled by Father Demetrios Serfes- http://www.serfes.org/orthodox/scripturesinthechurch.htm

Biblical books are listed per row, with the traditional canons listed per column.
+ = book is canonical in that tradition
d = deuterocanonical (in the Vulgate column)
Alternate names and apocryphal status are noted
See this chart for help with the various Ezra book names

	Luther	King James/ English	Vulgate	Greek	Slavonic/ Russian	Syrian	Coptic	Ethiopian	Armenian
Pentateuch	+	+	+	+	+	+	+	+	+
Joshua	+	+	+	+	+	+	+	+	+
Judges	+	+	+	+	+	+	+	+	+
Ruth	+	+	+	+	+	+	+	+	+
Samuel	+	+	+	+	+	+	+	+	+
Kings	+	+	+	+	+	+	+	+	+
Chronicles	+	+	+	+	+	+	+	+	+
Ezra	+	+	1 Ezra	2 Esdras	1 Esdras	+	+	+	+
Nehemiah	+	+	2 Ezra		+	+	+	+	+
Tobit	apocrypha	apocrypha	d	+	+	+	+	+	+
Judith	apocrypha	apocrypha	d	+	+	+	+	+	+
Esther	+	+	+	+	+	+	+	+	+
Additions to Esther	apocrypha	apocrypha	d	+	+	+	+	+	+
Job	+	+	+	+	+	+	+	+	+
Psalms	+	+	+	+	+	+	+	+	+
Proverbs	+	+	+	+	+	+	+	+	+
Qohelet	+	+	+	+	+	+	+	+	+
Song of Songs	+	+	+	+	+	+	+	+	+
Wisdom of Solomon	apocrypha	apocrypha	d	+	+	+	+	+	+
Sirach	apocrypha	apocrypha	d	+	+	+	+	+	+
Isaiah	+	+	+	+	+	+	+	+	+
Jeremiah	+	+	+	+	+	+	+	+	+
Lamentations	+	+	+	+	+	+	+	+	+
Baruch	apocrypha	apocrypha	d	+	+	+	+	+	+
Letter of Jeremiah	apocrypha	apocrypha	d	+	+	+	+	+	+
Ezekiel	+	+	+	+	+	+	+	+	+
Daniel	+	+	+	+	+	+	+	+	+
Additions to Daniel	apocrypha	apocrypha	d	+	+	+	+	+	+
Twelve Prophets	+	+	+	+	+	+	+	+	+
1 Maccabees	apocrypha	apocrypha	d	+	+	+	+	different book with same name	+
2 Maccabees	apocrypha	apocrypha	d	+	+	+	+	different book with same name	+
3 Maccabees				+	+	+		different book with same name	extra- canonical
4 Maccabees				appendix
Prayer of Manasseh	apocrypha	apocrypha	appendix	+	+	+		+
3 Ezra		apocrypha 1 Esdras	appendix	1 Esdras	2 Esdras			+	extra- canonical
4 Ezra		apocrypha 2 Esdras	appendix		3 Esdras		+	+	extra- canonical
Psalm 151			appendix	+	+	+	+	+
Jubilees								+
Enoch								+
4 Baruch								+
Letter of Baruch (2 Baruch 78.1-86.1) [East Syrian only]						+

last updated 21 April 2008 http://www.bombaxo.com/canonchart.html (EO author)

In the history of the Orthodox Church there have been inconsistencies not only by the Church Fathers, but also by many local and even Ecumenical Synods as to which Canon is to be used. For example, Cyril of Jerusalem and Athanasius support the use of the Hebrew Canon, where as John Chrysostom and Basil the Great support the use of the Alexandrian Canon. Although the local Synod of Jerusalem in 1672 stipulated that the Alexandrian Canon was to be used, the second Canon of the Council of Trullo (691) sanctioned the use of the Hebrew Canon.

The Orthodox Church accepted the Alexandrian Canon (Septuagint LXX) as divinely inspired, appropriate for reading in Church, and on a personal reading level. The shorter or Hebrew Canon remained as the Canon par excellence, and was most valuable for giving validity to basic Christian doctrines....

Not only are there inconsistencies between the use of the two different Canons, but there are also inconsistencies in the different Traditions of Orthodoxy on which books are to be included in the greater Canon. For example, the Russian Orthodox Tradition or the Slavonic Bible includes 2 Edras, whereas the Greek Orthodox Tradition of the Septuagint does not. This lack of uniform use led P. Bratsiotes to make the following observation (quoted by S. Agourides in his article The Bible in the Greek Orthodox Church, p. 240): "It is for this reason that the fixing of the Canon of the Old Testament is proposed as one of the subjects of a future Great Synod of the Eastern Orthodox Church". So even today, the issue of the Old Testament Canon remains open for discussion. - http://www.orthodoxchristian.info/pages/old_testament.html --------------------------------------

As for Petrine Primacy, the issue is about infallibility and supreme power (above councils) and jurisdiction using that power. Read what they said about that as was provided

[daniel1212]

Another: http://orthodoxstudybible.com/uploads/BibleBooksChart.pdf Also includes Ps. 151