Posted on 05/10/2013 7:36:49 PM PDT by boatbums
If *anyone* states anything here that goes against the infallible and unchanging teachings of the Catholic Church, you’re right... I will not listen to it. Because that means that I’m allowing another’s heresy to influence me.
Sorry if that bothers you.
Now if you want to talk about something that can be changed like married priests, I’m all ears.
And let’s not fool ourselves here. Some of the rudest, uncharitable posts on this thread were not written by Catholics.
You are just so gosh darn cute when you jsut choose to ignore the facts and the clear text of the Bible.
And if the KJV was good enough for Jesus and Paul then it is good enough for me.*SNERK*. Seriously you really contend the NT was printed before the birth of Jesus.
Further of the intellectual dishonesty of protestantism.
Let me guess...you actually looked at that document before you assumed it was Webster that was wrong? From the source http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/search?q=peter+as+the+rock:
"In a passage in this book, I said about the Apostle Peter: ‘On him as on a rock the Church was built’...But I know that very frequently at a later time, I so explained what the Lord said: ‘Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church,’ that it be understood as built upon Him whom Peter confessed saying: ‘Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God,’ and so Peter, called after this rock, represented the person of the Church which is built upon this rock, and has received ‘the keys of the kingdom of heaven.’ For, ‘Thou art Peter’ and not ‘Thou art the rock’ was said to him. But ‘the rock was Christ,’ in confessing whom, as also the whole Church confesses, Simon was called Peter. But let the reader decide which of these two opinions is the more probable."
Source:The Fathers of the Church (Washington D.C., Catholic University, 1968), Saint Augustine, The Retractations Chapter 20.1.
Uh huh.
King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
1 Cor. 10:4, “and all drank the same spiritual drink, for they were drinking from a spiritual rock (petras) which followed them; and the rock (petra) was Christ.”
Jesus was speaking of their ancestors - who were around a long time ago. He further says that:
5Nevertheless, God was not pleased with most of them; their bodies were scattered in the wilderness.
6Now these things occurred as examples to keep us from setting our hearts on evil things as they did. 7Do not be idolaters, as some of them were; as it is written: “The people sat down to eat and drink and got up to indulge in revelry.”a 8We should not commit sexual immorality, as some of them did—and in one day twenty-three thousand of them died. 9We should not test Christ,b as some of them did—and were killed by snakes. 10And do not grumble, as some of them did—and were killed by the destroying angel.
11These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the culmination of the ages has come. 12So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don’t fall! 13No temptationc has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. And God is faithful; he will not let you be temptedd beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted,e he will also provide a way out so that you can endure it.
p.s. you may wish to look again at what 1 Corinthians 10:4 really means.
And some of the rudest, snarkiest and uncharitable posts on this thread WERE written by Catholics. Take off those blinders once and a while.
Well, there's your problem, in my view. You have turned off your own ability to reason and think outside of what you MUST as commanded by your religion. There are numerous examples of errors, changes and mistakes made by the church you uphold as being beyond such. I can give you many sources you can check out for yourself....that is if you actually care about it. I'm not at all bothered by some who blindly obey - it is a trait that has brought millions to ruin - so much as I pity them. What I know is that ANYONE who diligently seeks to know the truth, WILL be shown it by God. All I can do is help point them towards Christ. If you notice, I have not once proselytized anyone towards "my" church. What matters above all is that the Holy Spirit will be the one to open spiritual eyes to see the Gospel which is the truth of salvation by the grace of God through faith in Jesus Christ.
That, as they say, is the rub. I have no doubt that the Catholic Church holds the truth and by definition, everything contrary to that, is not truth. Ecumenicalism is not a negotiation and compromise with error is not an option.
Those, and those who stand lock-step with them, claim that the Catholic Church is the Whore of Babylon, that all Catholic clergy are presumably pedophiles, and that the foundational sacraments and rituals of the Catholic Church are merely re-branded pagan superstitions cannot be taken seriously when they insist that they and their opinions be given respect they are not willing to extend.
Darn.
Jesus did NOT say, *truly believe*, but rather *truly, truly*, whoever BELIEVES. There’s a difference. He is stating that His statement is true, that whoever hears and believes HAS eternal life, not that whoever has perfect belief has eternal life.
At the moment of death. If one loses one's faith and dies unshriven, then he is lost, unless the mercy of God is more, well, merciful, than any of us can expect.
The wages of sin is death. What we get or earn for what we do is death. There’s not a thing that we do or can do that is not tainted by sin, therefore all our works are as filthy rags before God. That’s why they don’t count for anything.
Applause. You are correct insofar as what I think you believe. But you may not be entirely correct in your grasp of it - it is definitely a Catholic understanding of Judgement, as opposed to the various Protestant understandings.
More later. Off to church.
Charging the spiritual batteries always is good for us.
She says as she mocks, snerks, belittles and sneers and rarely speaks of objective truth. Bullies seldom see themselves as they are.
My former diocese was the diocese of Fort Wayne and South Bend. Same bishop, different 'thrones' or 'seats'. Any other objection?
How in the world did you think that would somehow support your position that Peter is the rock? So what if they were talking about ancestors. It was one of several verses I used to support the truth that Christ and the belief in Him is the Rock the church is built on. The RCC uses one verse, which they misinterpreted, to somehow built a hierarchy. If you believe the church is built on something other than Christ you are in desperate straights.
btw I haven't gotten an answer from you still.
I can see the problem with the education system of the Public Schools in that post. You taught nothing. In fact, I think you lost ground.
Excuse me, I NEVER said that none of the Catholics were rude. The point was that YOU were the one to first focus on how uncharitable Catholics were in this thread and failed to include your fellow Protestants in this thread (as if Protestants know how to be charitable and Catholics do not).
I’m stunned. And what exactly do you think Paul expected the people to do with what he wrote? Did God not inspire those letters until 300 years after they were written and read by those people? I’ve got news for you. It didn’t require the sanction of the RCC for those letters to be considered authoritative. Ie scripture.
Re: post 572
The irony in your posts is classic.
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