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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

True. At the core of it, it’s fornication (sex before marriage) that killed marriage, and with it, ruined society.

Yet, watch how most, including here, give fornication a free pass, as if it were nothing. The whole point that sex before marriage is as unbiblical as homosexuality just escapes these hypocrite fools.


11 posted on 05/10/2013 4:20:40 PM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: NYer

My grandmother said that America was in decline because we rejected God, beginning at the turn of the century. In her rural Florida childhood her family held devotions every evening. At the end of her life (she lived to 108) she would put herself to sleep singing the old hymns.

For the first few decades it really didn’t look like we were rejecting God. Now it has become all too obvious.


12 posted on 05/10/2013 4:53:08 PM PDT by Liberty Wins
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To: James C. Bennett; yefragetuwrabrumuy
Yet, watch how most, including here, give fornication a free pass, as if it were nothing. The whole point that sex before marriage is as unbiblical as homosexuality just escapes these hypocrite fools.

Provide some links to said posts. Otherwise you statement can be dismissed as the fertilizer that it is.

17 posted on 05/10/2013 9:18:21 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: James C. Bennett; yefragetuwrabrumuy
True. At the core of it, it’s fornication (sex before marriage) that killed marriage, and with it, ruined society. Yet, watch how most, including here, give fornication a free pass, as if it were nothing. The whole point that sex before marriage is as unbiblical as homosexuality just escapes these hypocrite fools.

I agree with y'all. I disagree that it was "the pill" that started the moral decline because its appearance was only an answer to what the post-war society had already started to accept - sexual "liberty" for women to be just like men. Women going into the marketplace and becoming "equal" to men demanding equal pay as well as all the perks that went along with this new liberation - freedom from being mere housewives, barefoot and pregnant. It was the so-called Women's' Lib movement that pushed for the availability of contraception and then abortion. I read awhile back that the birth control pill was invented to help married women space out their children better. It wasn't that long ago (1970's) that you had to BE married, or at least engaged, to even get a prescription for them from reputable doctors. Now, pre-teens can get them free from their local Planned Parenthood, with their parents never even knowing about it. Now, there's nothing wrong with women getting equal pay for equal work, and I have nothing against women working, single OR married. I WAS both. But the joys of motherhood - raising children in a stable, two-parent home, where the Mom was there for her kids - has been replaced by a false super-mom concept that NEVER really works as well as it's hyped.

We all know that sex outside of marriage is hardly a new thing. Ancient cultures had their abortifacients and, when they failed, infanticide was often the solution. But it's only been since the 60's that sexual immorality has slowly become accepted and even expected in most cultures. So, yes, fornication has and does ruin societies and civilizations.

We, as Christians, should recognize that our Creator set up his commandments and rules in order that we would prosper and be happy. He made us - he sure must know what is best for us! We really have no excuse for rejecting those rules and we will never be healed as a nation and as a world until there is repentance, forsaking of this terrible sin, prayer and seeking after God. He promises that he WILL forgive and heal our land - it is never too late.

19 posted on 05/10/2013 9:43:05 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: James C. Bennett

Amen to that.

In this sex-crazed society, fornication is never mentioned as sinful. My oldest brother was a Deacon in the Catholic Church. He told me that statistics show that those who commit fornication before marriage, tend to be the same ones who commit adultery in a marriage. The sinfulness of sex outside of the marriage bond, and one’s abstaining from it before marriage, gives a person a stronger will to not be unfaithful in a marriage.

OTOH, if a person does not treat fornication as a serious offense against God, they will likely not think twice about adultery. Their conscience fortress walls have already been breached!

True Christians ought to treat sins of the flesh equally - fornication, adultery and homosexual acts are all sinful in nature. The fact that homosexual acts are unnatural as well, make them seem worse, but in God’s eyes are they worse? My view of homosexuals is that when they flaunt their sinful acts and relationships, they are not only promoting their hedonism, they are deliberatley trying to assault my sensibilities. It becomes doubly offensive to me.

But, the same can be said of some hetersexuals who are immodest, crude, lewd, etc in their behavior. My belief is that sexuality is a personal thing and ought not to be inflicted upon others in an agressive and flaunting manner.

The Catholic Church has done studies of couples who cohabitated before marriage, and/or committed fornication before marriage. Their studies showed that such couples were more apt to have failed marriages - with one exception when the couple were in a committed (engaged to be married) relationship and were already in the process of planning their wedding. Then it seemed that the risk of divorce was only slightly higher than couples who did not engage in fornication.


44 posted on 05/11/2013 10:38:41 AM PDT by Gumdrop
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