Born Fundamentalist, Born Again Catholic – Conversion Story of David B. Currie

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[Elsie]

...where He went on to revise what was written.

Ah!

So THAT is where the RCC gets IT's authority to do the same!

[Elsie]

Their two biggest errors were an insistence that mysteries must be reconciled with human rationality and reason, and a rejection of authority (not unlike their modern FReeper counterparts).

Today's biggest errors are an insistence that mysteries must be accepted by what ever the Magisterium says they are, and a rejection of "what is written" (not unlike their modern FReeper counterparts).

[Elsie]

Based on what had been revealed to them through Peter and then Paul and Barabbas, the council reached the conclusion that Gentiles were not to be forced to undergo circumcision.

Oh?

It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements:

and...

God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us.

HMMMmmm...

I wonder if this applies to C's and P's as well???

[Elsie]

Real Presence is the least of their problems.

"What MUST we do, to do the works that GOD requires?"

[Elsie]

I have heard a couple of different ways to explain this.

Those examples don't seem to work for me.

[Elsie]

But of course we will have to take your word for it because you are an expert on Catholic theology, right?

Actually; BOTH of your 'theologies' are WRONG!

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The keys of the kingdom are once again on earth after having been absent for some seventeen centuries.

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http://www.examiner.com/lds-church-in-national/anti-mormon-purge-coming-on-free-republic

 

Actually, this should be the breaking news of the century, because God did indeed confer the holy apostleship upon the heads of Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery by the hands of Peter, James, and John. The keys of the kingdom are once again on earth after having been absent for some seventeen centuries. The keys of the kingdom are in the possession of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints today.

--MormonDude(Jesus Himself, in the form of a Personage...)

[Elsie]

It is obvious that when Jesus tells His followers to eat His flesh and drink His blood that some thought “carnally” as if Christ was going to carve Himself up and serve Himself to them.

"What MUST we do...

[Elsie]

That is why though the Church is made up of sinners and men who cannot know the mind of God, we trust in His protection and guidance.

A phrase fell off:

...and guidance of our blessed Magisterium.

[MarkBsnr]

I’m not sure what you mean. Just so you know, though, in Acts 15 James presides over the church council and makes the decision (supposedly Peter’s job), so you should stay away from Acts, if I were you.

Negatory. James does his job, as bishop over Jerusalem. Peter had not yet taken up his posting as bishop of Rome in any case. Acts sits rather easily with me.

[MarkBsnr]

It’s pretty disturbing for you to compare Augustine, Theodoret and Pope Gelasius to well known heretics. You also still failed to demonstrate how just those three examples were actually in rebellion to the teachings of the Magisterium they were heading, even though I asked you to. I’m guessing you can’t.

All dipped into heresy, and all were called on it. Do you wish me to post the relevant Church documentation? I will not dispute Augustinian heresies since they are (or should be) well known. At least to any Christian.

[MarkBsnr]

So, in actuality, they could be dancing around naked. We just don’t know.

The 80 year old men 'dancing around naked' gave you the Nicene Creed as well as a whole bunch of other things such as the entirety of Scripture.

How's that for a visual?

[MarkBsnr]

The Church takes upon itself the authorization given to it by Jesus to make the decisions that it does.

"We're right because we say we are." Ya just can't beat that logic.

We are correct because the Lord Jesus Christ created us and says that we are right. No other reason.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

“James does his job, as bishop over Jerusalem. Peter had not yet taken up his posting as bishop of Rome in any case.”

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Supposedly Peter was made Pope when Christ allegedly made him head of the church. Therefore, James was doing Peter’s job by presiding over and declaring the decision at the council in Acts 15.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

“All dipped into heresy, and all were called on it. Do you wish me to post the relevant Church documentation? I will not dispute Augustinian heresies since they are (or should be) well known. At least to any Christian.”

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Apparently you think everyone is so stupid that they don’t know a thing about Augustine’s biography. Though he started off as a member of a heretical group, he later rejected them and died the Christian Bishop of Hippo, considered the Doctor of Grace and of the Church by the RCC (but they don’t believe what he has to say on either topic).

No one “called” Augustine on not believing in transubstantiation. In fact, half the time you Catholics are misquoting him to pretend that he did believe in it. If there was some magical supra-authority, above all these Bishops and Popes and “calling” them on their non-Roman theologies, you would have presented that evidence already.

[presently no screen name]

how doctrine is “developed.

Man made doctrine WAS developed and it was to void God's Word that always was and always will be.

"The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation." "He existed before anything else, and He holds all creation together."

"In the beginning was The Word, and The Word was with God, and The Word was God." John 1:1

"The Word became flesh and made HIS dwelling among us. We have seen HIS glory, the glory of the One and only Son, Who came from the Father, full of grace and Truth." John 1:14

Jesus is The WORD and The WORD is the Final Authority.

[MarkBsnr]

Exactly. If Jesus were ever to allow a 'man' to be head of His Church, it wouldn't be Peter but John The Baptist or Paul. Jesus is The Head and we, who are 'in Christ', are His Body. Jesus is The Sacrifice slain for us and rose, again, to Heaven from whence He came. Only worldly organizations have 'man' as their head.

Why Paul? Peter was the leader of the Apostles. Peter is mentioned more times in the NT than any other man. More than all the other Apostles put together - especially if you read the Gospels. Peter was the one Jesus spoke to if He were speaking to them. Peter was the one who replied if a reply was required. Jesus gave Peter the keys. Peter walked on the water. Peter led the Apostles in the upper room. James was the bishop of the Church in Jerusalem - Peter was bishop at large through Antioch then Rome.

[MarkBsnr]

Heretics were in most cases very holy and learned men whose pursuit of the Truth lead them into error. We judge them differently than their contemporaries because we have a more complete theological language than was available to them. Their two biggest errors were an insistence that mysteries must be reconciled with human rationality and reason, and a rejection of authority (not unlike their modern FReeper counterparts).

I bow to your wisdom. You are correct.

[MarkBsnr]

Apparently you think everyone is so stupid that they don’t know a thing about Augustine’s biography.

Only some of you.

No one “called” Augustine on not believing in transubstantiation. In fact, half the time you Catholics are misquoting him to pretend that he did believe in it.

You ought to know what you have received, what you are going to receive, and what you ought to receive daily. That Bread which you see on the altar, consecrated by the word of God, is the Body of Christ. That chalice, or rather, what the chalice holds, consecrated by the word of God, is the Blood of Christ. Through those accidents the Lord wished to entrust to us His Body and the Blood which He poured out for the remission of sins. – St. Augustine Sermons 227

Any more whoppers that you wish to post?

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

“Any more whoppers that you wish to post?”

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Is this the best you can do? Augustine has defined himself thoroughly, and it isn’t the Catholic definition. Instead of diversion and distraction, look at the evidence straight.

[presently no screen name]

Something I doubt you will get. Peter, etc. knew Jesus in the flesh, Paul knew HIM in 'the spirit'. Paul wrote 1/2 to 2/3 of the NT.

This isn't about which one was 'better' as you have done - and how many times they were mentioned nor 'their accomplishments'. They each did according to the Father's will - hear and obey and fulfilled their specific calling. God doesn't look at things as the world/man does.

Jesus is the HEAD of His Church. It's spiritual and HE didn't hand to 'man' HIS position in the Kingdom.

What man made 'religions' were designed to do - take Jesus out and put 'man' in. And in Catholicism they use 'Mary', a pope, 'Peter' dead saints, etc, etc, etc, etc. ALL WORLDLY.