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To: Salvation

It was actually bizarre and untrue, nobody is saying those things and they haven’t been posted.

If you support abortion and liberalism, and the democrat party and their voters then say so in a way in which I can respond.

As overwhelmingly Catholic cities, or counties, San Francisco and Los Angeles and the state of California support the democrat party, and California will be pro-abortion liberal forever now.

Pro-lifers and conservatives regret losing California, and
I don’t understand your seeming glee in the left taking it over.


75 posted on 05/01/2013 8:48:47 PM PDT by ansel12 (Civilization, Crusade against the Mohammedan Death Cult)
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To: ansel12; Salvation; daniel1212
As overwhelmingly Catholic cities, or counties, San Francisco and Los Angeles and the state of California support the democrat party, and California will be pro-abortion liberal forever now.

Look at NYS. NYS's cities tend to be heavily Catholic. Western NY and Buffalo is and it's been a democratic stronghold full of corruption and mismanagement for decades.

Schumer, Gillibrand, Cuomo, and many other NY politicians are practicing Catholics and NY is notoriously blue.

I've worked with many Catholics who vote dem in spite of the abortion issue because the dems are *Yes, I know where the dems are on the abortion issue, but the dems are "for the poor"*; the very words out of their own mouths.

I very recently talked to an 80+ lady who is a faithfully attending mass every Sunday and often on weekdays, and she supports abortion, homosexual marriage, obamacare. Her rationalization? *Yes, I know that the Catholic church teaches against that but I don't care. The government doesn't have the right to tell someone what to do with their own body.*

Say what?

The problem with American Catholicism isn't the influence of Protestantism with its *liberal* teaching. The problem is that many of the conservative ones when they find Jesus Christ, see the liberalism and leave for greener pastures, leaving behind the liberals who know the Catholic church, by its actions, condones those issues because a lack of any action taken when people espouse them, speaks louder that words.

It's no different that watching the parent of an unruly child in the store, constantly threatening the child, while the whole time the child ignores the parent because he knows there will be no follow through. At the end of the shopping trip, the child knows that by whining and saying *You don't love me*, the parent will capitulate and give the child the candy or toy (read communion and Catholic funeral) in the end.

FWIW, I've heard pastors in any number of denominations, Baptist, Pentecostal, Evangelical, speak out from the pulpit against abortion, homosexuality, divorce, sex before marriage, etc.

The Catholic church does not own those issues nor is it the only church which preaches against it.

The problem with the Catholic church is....

the Catholic church.

80 posted on 05/02/2013 6:32:18 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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