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To: unlearner

You are really offensively wrong in the first two paragraphs of your post.

Jews were not welcomed with open arms, they had to be vouched for by other Jews and by the late 30s the doors had closed altogether, not only in the US but all over non-Nazi Europe.

Paragraph 2, let’s just start with the Inquisition, but we could go on for about a thousand pages. The rest of paragraph two is just an insane jumble of nonsense from a clearly addled brain.

After that ridiculous nonsense, there’s not much point in critiquing the rest, although you are right it is clearly true that the first century Jewish governing bodies were not happy about what they saw as a breakaway sect, but by 80 AD, that whole governing body had been destroyed by Rome anyway.

But to some up 2000 years of history by analysing the first 80 and then saying the rest was more of the same, is pretty spectacularly stupid.


35 posted on 04/30/2013 4:43:57 PM PDT by babble-on
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To: babble-on

“really offensively wrong”

You are supposed to be offended. You should get really, really angry and look in the mirror for the cause. Truth can make you free, but it will probably make you angry first.

“Jews were not welcomed with open arms, they had to be vouched for by other Jews and by the late 30s the doors had closed altogether, not only in the US but all over non-Nazi Europe.”

The majority of Americans are not and never were antisemitic. The USA has been since the beginning of this great nation, the least antisemitic place on the planet which is due entirely to the evangelical protestant influence of its earliest founders. We have always had bad apples, but so has every other nation including Israel.

Further, millions of Jews immigrated here in the twentieth century. At the same time, millions of evangelical, protestant Christians paid the ultimate price to stop the Nazi’s, including their Satanic drive to massacre the Jews. In my family and church as a child, people like Corrie Ten Boom’s family were held up as models of how Christians should live. They rescued Jews, not to convert them, but simply due to love and compassion for their fellow human beings. Resultantly, that family died at the hands of Nazi’s except Corrie, who survived the concentration camps to retell her story.

There are millions of Christians being imprisoned, murdered, raped, kidnapped and pillaged TODAY who cannot get asylum in the USA. Instead, the current regime is funding the enemies of Christians around the globe. Is that YOUR fault? Is America anti-Christian? I want to know what specific actions you have taken to welcome these persecuted Christians with open arms. Then I will be interested in hearing about how America mistreated the Jews in the past century.

It gets old hearing how all white people are to blame for black slavery, how conservatives are to blame for the consequences of liberal policies, and how Christian evangelicals are not true friends of Jewish people.

I think it could be accurately said that persecuted Christians are welcome here with open arms even if there is a tremendous amount of anti-Christian sentiment here as well.

“Paragraph 2, let’s just start with the Inquisition”

OK. Start there. Do you have a clue? The criticism I have leveled on this forum against Catholic lies would have led me to be burned at the stake by the psuedo-Christian Inquisition. Have you ever read the Hebrew scriptures? When Elijah accused his own nation, Israel, of killing all of God’s prophets, were the true Jewish people of faith contemporary to Elijah all being indicted? No. There was a remnant of believing Jews who did not apostacise and turn to Baal worship.

“But to some up 2000 years of history by analysing the first 80 and then saying the rest was more of the same, is pretty spectacularly stupid.”

Really? For me to “some [sum?] up” this way is “spectacularly stupid”? What is “spectacularly stupid” is the inability to grasp a simple concept. Christianity was hijacked by people who did not believe or practice its core tenets. It is really not that hard to follow.

Through the centuries there have been believing Jews and non-believing Jews that were part of the nation of Israel and also those among the ethnically Jewish people exiled throughout the world. Many, many times ethnically Jewish people abandoned their Judaic traditions to worship other gods and practice foreign religions. These people do not indict Judiasm because they are not practicioners of it.

Likewise, when the popular movement of Christianity does not believe or practice the teachings and example of Christ, they are Christian in name only. There have always been a minority of true, practicing Christians who cannot be blamed for the Inquisition or any other evil that was done in the name of Christianity. These true Christians would have been the first to be executed by the so-called Christians, even before any Jews were.


36 posted on 05/01/2013 9:03:15 AM PDT by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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To: babble-on

Just in case the post you found offensive was misleading about my view of collective guilt, I want to be clear that my remarks about Hollywood and ACLU “Jews” is not directed at Jews in general whether religious or non-religious. Every person is responsible for his or her own actions and will be accountable to God for such. My point is there are many who identify as being Jewish who do not follow either the beliefs or practices of the Jewish patriarchs. Some who identify as ethnically Jewish are rabidly anti Christian, such as Rahm Emanuel. Of course, wise Jews would beware of trusting leaders of his ilk as he would sell them out just as quickly as he would the Christians.


37 posted on 05/01/2013 12:14:17 PM PDT by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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