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To: Natural Law; Elsie
That is yet another mischaracterization of my statements. For the record I NEVER said that works are necessary to achieve or keep Salvation or in anyway enable us to retain Salvation or Sanctifying Grace. I do so wish you would drop that anti-Catholic canard. Whoever taught you that did you, the Church, Protestantism, and God a great disservice.

Oh, please! Just stop with that foolishness. You are acting like spilled mercury from a broken thermometer! Can't pin you down, can't get you to say what you really mean, can't get you to defend the statements you DO make, even. I DO so wish you would drop the anti-Protestant canard that pretends the whole Reformation was simply a big misunderstanding and the Reformers were the ones who got it wrong. Here is what you previously said:

Works do, however, have an efficacious effect on Grace which is an input to Salvation. As the Holy Spirit is the manifestation op the love between the Father and the Son, Grace is the manifestation of the love between God and man. Agape is the sharing of that Grace / love, with each other. Passing on the Grace we receive, through corporeal and spiritual works of mercy, is the only way we can cooperate with and retain the Grace God gives us freely.

Now, explain to me - and anyone else who is scratching their heads wondering the same thing - how that is not saying "works enable us to retain the grace necessary for salvation". Can you do that?

247 posted on 05/04/2013 11:10:53 AM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: boatbums
"Now, explain to me..."

Since you have already rejected a discussion of the differences between Sanctifying and Actual Grace no explanation is possible. And to avoid further misrepresentation of my statements please do not attempt to reword them into Reformationist jargon. They stand on their own.

Peace be with you

249 posted on 05/04/2013 11:29:44 AM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave is a book, He left us a Church.)
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To: boatbums

Other than the well-practiced effort to drag it off further into the bushes, with specious definitions of the imagined differences between "actual" and "sanctifying" grace --- which could hardly be obtained from the writings of Paul, though it can be well enough justifiably imagined they are imposed upon his words, nothing, for it was plainly enough stated, even if in otherwise overall duplicitous and misleading presentation.

262 posted on 05/04/2013 1:32:51 PM PDT by BlueDragon (bless yur' little 'ol heart...)
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