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To: BubbaBasher
Jesus gave himself to us before there was a church.

But that is not what Scripture says:

“And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” Mat 6:18

Christ established His Church.

And the Church is the 'pillar and foundation of faith'

“But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.” 1Tim 3:15

14 posted on 04/23/2013 1:47:31 PM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: FatherofFive

no reason to include all of scripture (I wil leave alone your misinterpretation of the ancient languages...) after alll Jesus merely told us that ...”I am the Truth, the Light, and the Way”


24 posted on 04/23/2013 1:58:44 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: FatherofFive

If Christ can’t be found outside your church, then you’d better remove all the books Paul wrote from the Bible, since that would make him a liar.


43 posted on 04/23/2013 2:17:37 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: FatherofFive; BubbaBasher

BubbaBasher wrote, “Jesus gave himself to us before there was a church.”

And you replied to him...”But that is not what Scripture says:” and then quoted a passage that is not in Matthew 6:18, but in Mathew 16:18...

“And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” Mat 6:18

You, FatherofFive, as so many others are prone to do, are quick to take a verse out of context. Please read it again in context of what Scripture says in Matthew 16...

When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets. He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.
(Matthew 16:13-20 KJV)

Peter is not, nor ever will be the rock upon which Jesus built the church...He, Jesus, the Son of the Living God, is that ROCK. The ‘keys’ were given to each of His disciples who were with Him when He spoke these words. They are given to us, the church, the Body of Christ, and this was completed on the Day of Pentacost, when the Holy Spirit descended to gather the firstfruits of the Body, the Bride, of Christ.

I would also remind all reading this that the name ‘Peter’ means stone, or piece of a rock, not ‘rock’.


67 posted on 04/23/2013 3:07:16 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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