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To: OneWingedShark

“And yet Jesus did this:”


Which implies the inferiority of God the Son, how? Whether the Son does all that the Father doeth, or the Holy Spirit is sent forth from the Father and the Son, does not imply inferiority in God.

Joh 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand.
Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.

Heb 1:8-12 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. (9) Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. (10) And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: (11) They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; (12) And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.

Either Christ is Almighty, and the Father is Almighty, or the Holy Spirit is almighty, or these three are not one God.


72 posted on 04/15/2013 8:10:05 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
>>“And yet Jesus did this:”

Which implies the inferiority of God the Son, how? Whether the Son does all that the Father doeth, or the Holy Spirit is sent forth from the Father and the Son, does not imply inferiority in God.

Joh 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand.
Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.

Heb 1:8-12 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. (9) Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. (10) And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: (11) They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; (12) And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.

Either Christ is Almighty, and the Father is Almighty, or the Holy Spirit is almighty, or these three are not one God.

I don't dispute that, and indeed that's [part of] my point, but certain things can be taken wrongly... like the underlined portion. (And Jesus always takes an inferior position to God unless he's equating God and Himself [he said "I am" which was to claim to be God], but never a superior position; indeed 'meek' is the only attribute he ascribed to Himself.)
Phil 2:5-7
In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus:
Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;*
rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness.

* some translations say "clung to" or "grasped at" for "be used to his own advantage".

My point is that Jesus seems to very conscientiously say/do "your will be done" in preference to his own, illustrated in detail not only in the Lord's Prayer, but when he prayed before his death... he chooses a subordinate position.

84 posted on 04/15/2013 8:26:21 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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