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To: Diamond
You're the one that made this comment:

“Can it be proved that the Father is “Jehovah” from Old Testament passages which are quoted in the New Testament to refer to the Father?
Yes? In the very same way it can be proved that Jesus is “Jehovah” from Old Testament passages which are quoted in the New Testament to refer to Jesus:......”

The Father is Jehovah and Jesus is Jehovah? Then it follows Jesus is the Father by your logic and reasoning. Yet you say I'm dividing and confusing.

“A human father may have greater authority than his human son, but they are still the same kind of being with the same human nature, aren't they?”

Then the son would not be equal in power with the father per your definition of the trinity nor would the son by calling his father “my God” be part of that god, would he? Nor would the son be the father as per your description above, would he?

Was Paul and Stephen praying to Jesus? Was John praying to those he responded to in his vision?

“A human father may have greater authority than his human son, but they are still the same kind of being with the same human nature, aren't they?”

And a spirit father is greater than a human son in nature, authority, power, knowledge, etc. isn't he, not an equal as the trinity definition says.

As Paul said Jesus did not view equality with his father as something to grasped at but took the (morphe) form of a servant, a human servant, a fully human servant, whose Father was greater than he was.(Phil. 2:6, John 14:28)

562 posted on 04/24/2013 7:30:27 AM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: count-your-change
The Father is Jehovah and Jesus is Jehovah? Then it follows Jesus is the Father by your logic and reasoning.

No, it does not follow, except if one presupposes, as you do, that the One God is not a tri-personal Being and that Jesus is some sort of created being or merely a man. The Father is Jehovah God. The Son is Jehovah God. The Holy Spirit is Jevoah God. Three distinct Persons in the One Jehovah God.

Then the son would not be equal in power with the father per your definition of the trinity nor would the son by calling his father “my God” be part of that god, would he? Nor would the son be the father as per your description above, would he?

Jesus is fully God and fully Man. In Him dwells all the fullness of the Deity in human form. We do not deny the Scriptures that teach his humanity. He has two natures united in one person, human and divine. You focus on the Scriptures highlighting his humanity but you ignore the Scriptures demonstrating his Deity. We accept all of them.

Was Paul and Stephen praying to Jesus?

Yes:
Stephen: "And as they were stoning Stephen, he called out, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” (Acts 7:59)
Paul: Three times I pleaded with the Lord to take it away from me. But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness. Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me. 10 That is why, for Christ’s sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong.
2 Corinthians 12:8-10

Was John praying to those he responded to in his vision?

People in the Bible who conversed with angels were not praying to them.

And a spirit father is greater than a human son in nature, authority, power, knowledge, etc. isn't he, not an equal as the trinity definition says.

With respect to the human nature of the Son, yes. But not with respect to the Divine nature of the Son. The incarnate Son has two natures united in one Person; human and divine. You are unable to reconcile the Scriptures proclaiming his Deity because you assume, apparently, that Jesus was nothing more than a man, a created being of some sort.

As Paul said Jesus did not view equality with his father as something to grasped at but took the (morphe) form of a servant, a human servant, a fully human servant, whose Father was greater than he was.(Phil. 2:6, John 14:28)

You left out the first part of the Phillipians verse:

who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant,[b] being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Jesus was both "in the form of God" and "took the form of a servant".
Jesus "took the form of a servant", and he was a servant (Isa. 42:1).
Jesus was "in the form of God" (Phil. 2:6) and he was God. (John 1:1, et al)

39 You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me, 40 yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life.

Cordially,

563 posted on 04/24/2013 3:27:34 PM PDT by Diamond (He has erected a multitude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers to harass our people,)
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