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To: count-your-change
That Peter and Paul, both Jews would write that the Father Jehovah or Yahweh of OT was Jesus the Son of NT is beyond absurd.

It is only absurd because of your presupposition that Jehovah is the Father alone, as evidenced every time you state "Jehovah (the Father)"

If Jesus (the Son) is Jehovah (the Father) from the OT, and that is what is being said above unless you meant Jesus is NOT the Son or Jehovah is NOT the Father, then indeed the statement is being made that the Son is the Father.

There you go again; dividing the essence of Deity and thus confusing the Persons. That is your error. Both Jesus and the Father are distinct Persons yet BOTH have all the Attributes, Powers and Names of Deity, ie. Jehovah.

Paul could, under inspiration of the holy spirit, apply OT prophecy spoken to and by Jehovah to His son since Jesus acted as His agent.

A mere agent would not possess the aforesaid Attributes, Power and Names of Deity, nor would such an agent be in very nature God, eternally existent, etc. as the New Testament repeatedly states concerning Christ, eg., "Who, being in very nature God", etc.

What other God could he be, other than Jehovah? There is no other God. Yet, Jesus claims to be this God, as these Scriptures explicitly state. Perhaps we should be the ones asking if YOU are the polytheist. Who is this lesser God (Christ) that you are talking about?

Cordially,

550 posted on 04/23/2013 9:44:51 AM PDT by Diamond (He has erected a multitude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers to harass our people,)
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To: Diamond
“It is only absurd because of your presupposition that Jehovah is the Father alone, as evidenced every time you state “Jehovah (the Father)”

Paul said the one God was the Father (1 Cor. 8:6) Jesus prayed to God calling Him his Father and his God. (John 17th chapter and John 20:17.)

Did Jesus pray to himself or have more than one heavenly Father or was he father of himself?

In Matt. 28:19 the resurrected Jesus says all power and authority in heaven and earth has been given him. And before it was given him he must not have had it.

Jesus said he had been given the power to judge by whom? The Father. So before this power was given?
(John 5:22)
Jesus said the Father had life in Himself and had granted to Jesus to have life in himself. (John 5:26)

Doesn't sound quite like:

“There you go again; dividing the essence of Deity and thus confusing the Persons. That is your error. Both Jesus and the Father are distinct Persons yet BOTH have all the Attributes, Powers and Names of Deity, ie. Jehovah.”

“It is only absurd because of your presupposition that Jehovah is the Father alone, as evidenced every time you state “Jehovah (the Father)”

I do have a “presupposition” that the Father is not the Son or vice-versa.

551 posted on 04/23/2013 1:00:05 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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