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To: count-your-change

“Despite your assertions.... .the Messiah is not called Almighty God, who is the Father”


Despite your assertions, the Messiah is called the Almighty God, who is the Son.

“But the Messiah is called the “Mighty God” of Isa. 9:6. Jesus said even the judges of Israel were properly called gods so calling the messiah a Mighty God isn’t contradictory to Isa. 44:6.”


El-Gibbor is a recognized name of God. Here it is again one chapter later:

Isa_10:21 The remnant shall return, even the remnant of Jacob, unto the mighty God.

Do you suppose Isaiah, one chapter later, uses the same phrase to refer again to a human being? It’s ridiculous to apply it to a man.

Joseph Ben Uziel, 30 years before the time of Christ, in his paraphrase of Isaiah retains the same meaning:

“The prophet said to the house of David,
For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given,
and He has taken the law upon Himself to keep it.
His name is called from eternity. Wonderful, The Mighty God, who liveth to eternity, The Messiah, whose peace shall be great upon us in His days.” (The Chaldee paraphrase on the prophet Isaiah [by Jonathan b. Uziel] tr. by C.W.H. Pauli)

Let’s read the scripture Jesus referenced:

Psa 82:6-7 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. (7) But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.

They are called “gods” in the sense that they sit in the judgment seat of Israel, representing God. But, they are told that they are men, and shall die like men, in the scripture Christ references.

And then Christ says:

Joh 10:35-38 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; (36) Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? (37) If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. (38) But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

This is an argument of how much greater the Messiah is than those men who merely received the word, and were judged as men, but the Messiah is the Son of God who was sanctified and sent into the world. How much more appropriate is it to say “I and the Father are one” for the Messiah which the Jews sought to stone Him for? It is self-evident that Christ claimed to be God:

Joh 8:57-59 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? (58) Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. (59) Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

So, how many people can claim the title “I am,” the verb in the present tense, telling us that not only was he BEFORE Abraham, but he was before Abraham because of continuous existence. IOW, he is from everlasting to everlasting.

Exo_3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

“I feel no need to defend arguments I haven’t made.”


Oh, your first act of righteousness! Those who blaspheme against God habitually should keep silent.


264 posted on 04/16/2013 8:06:10 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.


266 posted on 04/16/2013 8:13:24 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
“Exo_3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.”

You miss a lot not doing your own research because had you looked in a copy of the LXX you would see that Ex. 3:14 reads not just “I AM” but “I am the one” or “I am the being”. The verb used translates the Hebrew hayah meaning “will be” or “will become” and is used elsewhere in that sense.=, Zech. 2:5. (see also Vines under “to be”).

John 8:57-59
So, how many people can claim the title “I am,” the verb in the present tense, telling us that not only was he BEFORE Abraham, but he was before Abraham because of continuous existence. IOW, he is from everlasting to everlasting.

“I am” is in the present but Jesus was talking about the past extending into the present so his answer would reflect that, thus dozens of translators use phrases like “I have existed” or “have been” to translate the Greek “ego eimi” of John 8:58, 59.

“El-Gibbor is a recognized name of God.”

Gibbor simply means mighty or champion, tyrant, etc. and can be/is used both as an adjective and title of men and God. (see a concordance).

297 posted on 04/16/2013 11:07:06 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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