“In your reference to Revelation in what sense is the Father, Jehovah or Yahweh, the Almighty, the one “who is, was and is coming”? (Rev. 1:8)
You don’t say.”
I thought it was self-evident. It’s another declaration of eternity. He was, He is, He is to come, past, present and future. He is always existing, from age to age, with no ending and no beginning. Similar to what God means when He calls Himself “I AM that I AM” in the Old Testament, and when Jesus calls Himself “I am” in the new.
“How is the Christ “the first and the last”? (Rev.1:17)
You don’t say.”
Actually, I DID say it, in two different posts. It’s not my fault you don’t like reading uncomfortable things or having a straightforward debate.
“How would this “prove” the two speakers are equal in a triune “godhead”?”
Ummm, they’re both called by the same title, The First and the Last, as well as Almighty, in direct reference to the fact that they are all-powerful and have always existed, and are the first cause that created everything, and have no ending?
“And so it goes as you reference these verses as though your assertion is self evident proof.”
It IS self-evident proof. Do you have any explanation for how two DIFFERENT gods can be First and Last, Almighty? Unless the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are all equally in substance the same God, there CANNOT be two different gods who are equally the First and the Last, the first cause of all creation who is ever-existent.
“A good example of this is the references by trinitarians made to Isa. 9:6. Surely this demonstrates the trinity in the O.T. but what is says is that Jesus is a “mighty god”, eternal father, not the Almighty Father, something that would be contrary to what the trinity doctrine says.”
Oooooops!
Isa_44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
There’s only one God. Therefore, your argument is invalid. If He is the “Mighty God,” then there would be two different gods.
And Jesus Christ IS called Almighty. I mean, I only quoted the text like 3 or 4 times for you ALREADY.
Sorry, but the Word was with God and IS God.
Joh 1:1-2 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (2) The same was in the beginning with God.
And as for the Eternal Father, it is not a contradiction where the Son and the Father are conflated, Per Barnes:
“The phrase may either mean the same as the Eternal Father, and the sense will be, that the Messiah will not, as must be the ease with an earthly king, however excellent, leave his people destitute after a short reign, but will rule over them and bless them forever (Hengstenberg); or it may be used in accordance with a custom usual in Hebrew and in Arabic, where he who possesses a thing is called the father of it.”
There comes a saturation point where, when we have so many scriptures calling Jesus GOD, that we just kind of HAVE to believe it.
“Well and good. Does that prophecy call Jesus God? Not at all but Emmanuel (God is with us) does show God was showing favor toward the nation, He was was with them.”
Oooooops, SORRY. The reference is in direct reference to the child of the VIRGIN who shall be called “God with Us.” The SAME child in Isaiah 9:6. That’s why even in the Targum, written 30 years before the time of Christ, the Jews applied these scriptures on the MESSIAH. It’s self-evident unless you have ulterior motives.
Are you trying to say Almighty God, THE Father is also the Messiah, the Mighty God, of Isa. 9:6?
You wrote:
“Isa_44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
There’s only one God. Therefore, your argument is invalid. If He is the “Mighty God,” then there would be two different gods.”
I feel no need to defend arguments I haven't made.
I don't have “ulterior motives” in these debates, I do so for enjoyment and if I think it will be useful. But I find it less so especially if you're going to try to tell me what I like or not.
“It’s not my fault you don’t like reading uncomfortable things or having a straightforward debate.”
Have no fear, you’d be absolved of fault were that ever the case, it is not.