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To: Dutchboy88

“First of all, Mary is not the Mother of God.”

Yes, she is. She is the Theotokos.

“Mother’s predate their progeny. Mary would have to predate God to be His mother.”

Mothers bear their children. Jesus is the Son of Mary, just as you are the son of your mother. He was born of Mary. Jesus is God. Ergo, Mary is the mother of God.

“Clearly, Mary bore the human body which Jesus took on”

And, like I said. Your Christology is flawed. Jesus is fully God and fully man. He is the son of Mary just as you are the son of your mother. There is no distinction between Jesus and his human body - his body is Jesus’s body.

What you are saying - is that God only has one nature - a divine nature. That he simply ‘puts on the appearance’ of a body. This is heresy.

“This heresy is the view that Jesus was in nature divine, eliminating his humanity. The name Docetism (Greek, dokein = “to seem”) indicated the distinctive thesis of it that Christ’s man hood, hence his sufferings, were unreal, phantasmal, appearing only to be human. It claimed that Christ only appeared or seemed to be a man. This view clearly shows the Graeco-Oriental assumption the divine impassability and the inherent evil nature of matter. The first to mention expressly “Docetists” is Serapion of Antioch (c. 200 A.D.). It was not a simple heresy on its own, but was an attitude which infected a number of heresies, particularly Marcionism and Gnosticism. This is seen in the remark of Justin Martyr, “There are some who declare that Jesus Christ did not come in flesh but only as a spirit, and exhibited an appearance (phantasian) of flesh.” Some Docetists even claimed that someone else was crucified in the place of Christ. Polycarp anathematized those who refused to “confess that Jesus Christ came in the flesh” (Compare I John 4:13).”

You deny the incarnation.

“do they actually believe God came into existence after His Mother?”

No. We believe that Jesus Christ is fully God and fully man, and that Mary was his mother just as you are the son of your mother. Ergo, Mary was the Mother of God - the Theotokos.

“In no way does returning Mary to her normal, human state (a sinner, like all of us, but with a certain job just as Isaiah, or Moses, or Sarah) diminish the incarnation”

Yes, it does. As you just said here. You’re a heretic and deny the incarnation.


192 posted on 04/15/2013 3:35:41 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: JCBreckenridge
"She is the Theotokos."

Was it not said that he would be first shall be last and he would be last shall be first? The fall of Lucifer was the result of his pride and Mary's blessings were the result of her unconditional service.

As written about in the The Mystical City of God by the Venerable Sister Mary of Jesus of Agreda (whose body is incorrupt after nearly 350 years) details how God tested the angels by revealing for the His plan for the future redemption of man. Lucifer, unable to accept that the Son of God would have the fully human nature of a lesser being and whose mother (Mary) would become the Queen of all angels rebelled and was cast down. God them promised that Mary would be the one to crush the serpent's head. Exorcists will tell you that it is Mary whom demons fear most.

The irony is that those who have accepted Satan's promise of being able to determine for themselves what is right and wrong, what is true and not true without dying are the same ones who share Satan's pride based rejection of Mary as the Theotokos and Queen of Heaven.

209 posted on 04/15/2013 4:56:56 PM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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To: JCBreckenridge
You may wish to revisit basic theology, my FRiend. The hypostatic union of the theanthropic person is not heresy. And, Mary is not the mother of God, no matter how delirious that dancing gets around the maypole in St. Peter's.

The sick cries for appartions at Fatima, at Medjugorje, the Original Pancake house demonstrates that a reasonable respect for a biblical character has moved to idolatry and sick demonic worship. Read JPIIs remarks. I sympathize with how long his misnamed "purgatory" is going to last.

264 posted on 04/16/2013 11:29:38 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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