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To: roamer_1
However, I cannot affirm it wholly, because I have no right or warrant to define God beyond what has been given. OK. I appreciate a forthright response. But (assuming you accept the Gospels)what do you make of these, among the last words of Jesus to His Apostles?

John 14:26
King James Version (KJV)

26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Did that happen? I believe it did - - 50 some days after He spoke this. Therefore, it seems that, if what you believe is only what you can figure out, then you withhold from yourself something helpful that was provided.

If the "all things" that they were to be taught were possible to be recorded, ink on paper, why then did they not get busy right away with a writing project?

Just a side note: The dramatic conversion of the Apostles at Pentecost is a strong "proof" (strong and powerful indicator?) of the truth of Christianity.

331 posted on 04/13/2013 10:18:29 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: don-o
(assuming you accept the Gospels)

As an informational point, I work primarily out of (accept) the Protestant Bible, my argument against 'canon' notwithstanding...

Did that happen? I believe it did - - 50 some days after He spoke this.

Sure, it happened - And precisely upon the anniversary of the giving of the commandments...

Therefore, it seems that, if what you believe is only what you can figure out, then you withhold from yourself something helpful that was provided.

That presupposes that He is withheld from me, and that I will listen to *no one*. That is not true. It also presupposes that the Christianity of today IS the Apostolic Early Church... I would suggest that it (self-evidently) is not... and particularly, I would aim that at the liturgical churches, albeit not them alone.

If the "all things" that they were to be taught were possible to be recorded, ink on paper, why then did they not get busy right away with a writing project?

They did. And in the interim, the Tanakh sufficed. But if you are angling toward 'oral tradition', you will find me quite against the idea, and not without cause.

And I have found no mysteries explained in the church fathers - at least none which comply with Scripture. So what 'all things' exactly are being passed down by this method?

Just a side note: The dramatic conversion of the Apostles at Pentecost is a strong "proof" (strong and powerful indicator?) of the truth of Christianity.

You will find that I have no trouble with the Early Church. That is what I am trying to get back to.

334 posted on 04/13/2013 1:46:48 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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