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The Newbie flamewar provocation is NOT THE WORK OF GOD. It is ZOT.
Doctrinal Catechism ^ | 19th century | R E V.   S T E P H E N    K E E N A N.

Posted on 04/11/2013 6:40:37 AM PDT by Vermont Crank

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To: Vermont Crank

“Dear Mr. Roberts. I can not accept your ahistorical claims /
The Lindisfarne Gospels...the manuscript is thought to have been written and illuminated by Eadfrith and bound by AEthelwald about 698. Subsequently, possibly during AEthelwald’s episcopate, Billfrith added gems and metalwork to the binding.”

No. As I have pointed out, translations of bits and pieces for the wealthy WAS done. A translation of the whole, even the whole New Testament, for commoners? That was not done, in English, until Wycliffe.


81 posted on 04/11/2013 7:59:33 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: Mr Rogers
By around 1200-1300 AD, the Catholic Church began its policy of banning B@$T@RDIZED vernacular MIStranslations.

Fixed it for you

82 posted on 04/11/2013 8:07:01 AM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: Vermont Crank

83 posted on 04/11/2013 8:07:33 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Vermont Crank
A very new freeper (can't recall the name) posted a ranting, anti-Catholic piece a couple of days ago, which got pulled.

Now a very new freeper named vermont crank posts a ranting, anti-Protestant piece.

Would they happen to be one and the same person, trying to sow discord?

84 posted on 04/11/2013 8:08:59 AM PDT by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Gone Galt, 11/07/12)
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To: Religion Moderator

What does this mean? Whatever it means, it sure doesn’t look good :)


85 posted on 04/11/2013 8:09:57 AM PDT by Vermont Crank (Invisible yet are signs of the force of Tradition that'll act upon our inertia into Indifferentism)
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To: Religion Moderator

That is a very disturbing image.


86 posted on 04/11/2013 8:10:15 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

It is meant to be.


87 posted on 04/11/2013 8:11:44 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Vermont Crank
The article found at Michael Scheifler's BIBLE LIGHT HOMEPAGE is not titled

"THE PROTESTANT PRETENDED REFORMATION IS NOT THE WORK OF GOD"

but rather

"A DOCTRINAL CATECHISM; WHEREIN DIVERS POINTS OF CATHOLIC FAITH AND PRACTICE ASSAILED BY MODERN HERETICS ARE SUSTAINED BY AN APPEAL TO THE HOLY SCRIPTURES, THE TESTIMONY OF THE ANCIENT FATHERS, AND THE DICTATES OF REASON ON THE BASIS OF SCHEFFMACHER'S CATECHISM BY THE REV. STEPHEN KEENAN."

88 posted on 04/11/2013 8:13:05 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("If you are not firm in faith, you will not be firm at all" - Isaiah 7:9)
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To: CatherineofAragon

I see the Kitten Moderator has allowed this one to live a little while...presumably to give us something to bat around before he gets squashed.


89 posted on 04/11/2013 8:13:28 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: Religion Moderator

The Battle of New Orleans
-Johnny Horton

In 1814 we took a little trip
Along with Colonel Jackson down the mighty Mississip
We took a little bacon and we took a little beans
And we caught the bloody British in a town in New Orleans

We fired our guns and the British kept a-comin’
There wasn’t nigh as many as there was a while ago
We fired once more and they begin to runnin’
On down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico
(One-two-three, with a-one-two-three)

We looked down a river
(Hut-two)
And we see’d the British come
(Three-four)
And there must have been a hundred of’em
(Hut-two)
Beatin’ on the drums
(Three-four)
They stepped so high
(Hut-two)
And they made their bugles ring
(Three-four)
We stood by our cotton bales
(Hut-two)
And didn’t say a thing
(Two-three-four)

We fired our guns and the British kept a-comin’
There wasn’t nigh as many as there was a while ago
We fired once more and they begin to runnin’
On down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico

Old Hickory said we could take ‘em by surprise
(One-hut, two-three-four)
If we didn’t fire our muskets
(One-hut, two-three-four)
‘Till we looked ‘em in the eye
(One-hut, two-three-four)
We held our fire
(Hut, two-three-four)
‘Till we see’d their faces well
Then we opened up our squirrel guns
And really gave ‘em - well we

Fired our guns and the British kept a-comin’
There wasn’t nigh as many as there was a while ago
We fired once more and they begin to runnin’
On down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico

Yeah, they ran through the briars
(One-hup-two)
And they ran through the brambles
(Hup-two-three-four)
And they ran through the bushes
(Hup-two)
Where the rabbit couldn’t go
(Hup-two-three-four)
They ran so fast
(Hup-two)
That the hounds couldn’t catch ‘em
(One-two-three-four)
On down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico
(One-two, hup-two-three-four)

We fired our cannon ‘til the barrel melted down
So we grabbed an alligator and we fought another round
We filled his head with cannon balls, and powdered his behind
And when we touched the powder off the gator lost his mind

We fired our guns and the British kept a-comin’
There wasn’t nigh as many as there was a while ago
We fired once more and they begin to runnin’
On down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico

Yeah, they ran through the briars
(Hup-one-two)
And they ran through the brambles
(One-two-three-four)
And they ran through the bushes
(Hup-two)
Where the rabbit couldn’t go
(Hup-two-three-four)
They ran so fast
(Hup-two)
That the hounds couldn’t catch ‘em
(One-two-three-four)
On down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico
(One-two, hup-two-three-four)

Hut-two-three-four
Sound off, three-four
Hut-two-three-four
Sound off, three-four
Hut-two-three-four
Hut-two-three-four.


90 posted on 04/11/2013 8:16:07 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Mr Rogers
Not did Luther try to remove James from the Bible. He translated it and make it possible for commoners to read it.

Stopped reading right here.

Luther's Works, Volume 35, Preface to the Epistles of St. James and St. Jude, p365

Though this epistle of St. James was rejected by the ancients, I praise it and consider it a good book, because it sets up no doctrines of men but vigorously promulgates the law of God. However, to state my own opinion about it, though without prejudice to anyone, I do not regard it as the writing of an apostle; and my reasons follow.

In the first place it is flatly against St. Paul and all the rest of Scripture in ascribing justification to works [2:24]. It says that Abraham was justified by his works when he offered his son Isaac [2:21]; though in Romans 4[:2–22] St. Paul teaches to the contrary that Abraham was justified apart from works, by his faith alone, before he had offered his son, and proves it by Moses in Genesis 15[:6]. Now although this epistle might be helped and an interpretation devised for this justification by works, it cannot be defended in its application to works [Jas. 2:23] of Moses’ statement in Genesis 15[:6]. For Moses is speaking here only of Abraham’s faith, and not of his works, as St. Paul demonstrates in Romans 4. This fault, therefore, proves that this epistle is not the work of any apostle.

91 posted on 04/11/2013 8:16:58 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: ArrogantBustard

LOL


92 posted on 04/11/2013 8:18:35 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: FatherofFive

Valid website
http://biblelight.net/keenan.htm


93 posted on 04/11/2013 8:18:48 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: FatherofFive

You should have gone back and read, then. Did Luther remove James from the New Testament? No. It did not happen.

He did have the right to deny it was written by an Apostle. It was common in the Catholic Church at the time to deny James was written by an Apostle.

But did Luther translate it? Yes. Was it printed in the New Testament? Yes.


94 posted on 04/11/2013 8:21:09 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: Religion Moderator

Why is just the top half of the image wiggling like that? Weird.


95 posted on 04/11/2013 8:22:01 AM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Vermont Crank

Not fully.


96 posted on 04/11/2013 8:22:58 AM PDT by ckilmer
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To: verga

“By around 1200-1300 AD, the Catholic Church began its policy of banning B@$T@RDIZED vernacular MIStranslations.”

Fine. Care to explain why Tyndale’s translation was bad? Or Wycliffe’s, whose main fault was that it was a too literal translation of the Latin? Or Luther’s?


97 posted on 04/11/2013 8:23:10 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: Springfield Reformer

It must be on your end. It’s working fine for me.


98 posted on 04/11/2013 8:25:08 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Cyber Liberty; Vermont Crank

Ya get that feeling, don’t you? ;)

“What is noob”.....how long has he had internet access? A week?


99 posted on 04/11/2013 8:25:29 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization)
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To: Vermont Crank

“Bring it on, Superman!” Lex Luthor

It’s because he’s bald, isn’t it, you don’t like Luthor.


100 posted on 04/11/2013 8:26:17 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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