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To: Rashputin; Cronos
Quite a few disputes on these threads revolve around English usage.

In early modern English "worship" could mean adorare, or venerare, or respectare in Latin translation.

People routinely referred to anyone slightly above them in social status as "my Lord" or "your worship" or "your worshipfulness."

The word "pray" meant the same as quaerere in Latin, such "I pray thee, give me another mug of ale" or "pray your brother to excuse my lateness", etc.

Likewise, people used to bow down multiple times to someone of superior social status.

The word "father" was used to refer to anyone older than yourself or even more socially advanced than yourself. Outside of England, priests were referred to as "mister X" (which is a variant of "master" or in Latin domine)or "senor X" or "monsignore X" or simply, in several countries as "priest X."

English speakers used "Easter" instead of Latin Dominica resurrectionis or Italian/Spanish/Greek/Portuguese/French Pascha/Paschale etc. They also use "Sunday" instead of Latin/Italian/Spanish/French Dominica/Dimanche/Domingo etc.

Now, based on English translations of Greek and Hebrew texts that they cannot read or understand, various idiots believe that Catholics call all priests "Father" (not the case), or the Resurrection "Easter" (not the case) or the Lord's Day "Sunday" (not the case), or "worship" saints (not the case), or share their confusion that "praying" (i.e. asking) is equivalent to "worship" (not the case) or any number of stupid, anachronistic assumptions.

None of these criticisms even remotely apply to anyone who speaks a language that is not Germanic.

37 posted on 04/08/2013 3:47:29 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake; Cronos
I forget what the thread a while back started out about but it dissolved into the usual silly chit and someone ranting about how horrible it was for anyone to bow to someone, so bad it was a sign of being in the service of Satan.

Well, just prior to coming home and catching up on FR I was dealing with some Japanese folks I've done a good bit of software work for over the years. I got started thinking about the person having the rant waking up in Japan one day then running around like a maniac because everyone had to be possessed by Satan or they wouldn't bow all the time.

That got me tickled and my son and I got in a laugh fest over someone being surrounded by bowing Japanese and freaking out like they do in Zombie movies. You know, grabbing a nearby flat panel display from a desk and then bashing people with it, that sort of thing, while they desperately hunted for a chainsaw.

I didn't comment on that thread.

40 posted on 04/08/2013 4:01:33 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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