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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
I think the same answer fits. The point was in answer to your: "Dogma and doctrine are determined by the word of God."

I said that absent an authority, that means it is up to each individual.

You answered that God is a reasoning God. I replied that rational, non-cultic folks still disagree..

You replied "the scripture is clear.." I answered that disagreeing folks think the scripture is clear too.

I think my responses have been on point thus and I appreciate yours.

250 posted on 04/11/2013 5:27:24 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr

“I think the same answer fits.”


I’m not convinced that thinking is involved here in your point. It only begs the question. Suppose you are saying, “only those whom I acknowledge as my authority are allowed to do my thinking about what sentences of scripture mean.” Okay, so then we go back to my previous post, wherein I demonstrated that Popes and Church leaders, and indeed church councils (Pelagianism was officially condemned, which the Romanists now embrace), hold to doctrines and “traditions” utterly contrary to what Rome holds today. Thus, Rome has no continuous tradition going back 2,000 years, but only a tradition that, for over 2,000 years, has gone through many revolutions, and is not the same one that Augustine would have recognized, or even Gregory, or Jerome, or Cyril of Jerusalem, or Athanasius, and on and on and on. Thus, there is no basis for the infallible claims of the Romanists.

I think all of the Roman arguments on this matter fall apart when any actual doctrine or idea that they hold is examined in detail.


254 posted on 04/11/2013 5:40:03 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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