To: American Constitutionalist
[[But could it be ?]]
No- God makes it clear once saved always saved- The verses lsited here are talkign abotu htose that got almsot all the way to salvation, but hten refused to go any further to the final acceptign of Christ as personal Savior, and who then turned on God and Christ and His peopel vehemently- Yuo may have run across soem liek that in your life- I have met a few liek that- they are now bitterly apposed to God and His people- God is tellign them they were given their chance once, they will not be given antoehr chance
[[Those “ LAW PREACHERS “ and teachers would have people think that even if you backslide ? your going to hell if you don’t repent.]]
They are wrong-
[[The proper greek meaning to the word for repentance is: to have a change of mind.]]
At which point the Holy Spirit Brigns abotu a CHANGE OF SPIRIT- where hte spirit was ocne dead, it is now alive upon repentence at salvation- You pass from death unto life and no man can cause that new life to be undone- and when it says ‘no man, that means not even yourself
[[All I know is those who are APOSTATES, are those who renounce their christian faith.]]
Actually they never had a Christian faith- they only knew HOW to have a Christian faith- but they never actually received Christ by faith- A Christian can never becoem an apostate- The dictionary says ‘one who abandons one’s Christian faith’ but the dictionary is wrong- these people didn’t yet have faith- It’s true they abandoned the religion, but not their faith as they simply did not have faith in Christ yet-
173 posted on
04/07/2013 8:42:51 PM PDT by
CottShop
(Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
To: CottShop
Thank you my friend for the enlightenment.
Yes, I admit it, and believer in once saved always saved.
I am a believer in predestination, election, God chose some, and passes over others.
Jesus said to his disiples, I have chosen you, you have not chosen me.
God hated Esau, but loved Jacob.
And yes, when we get saved ? God seals us until the day of redeemtion with the holy spirit.
Yes, it's the holy spirit who quickens us i.e. made us alive in christ, it was by no strech of the measure by man's means, efforts, power to get saved.. it was all God all the time.
The word FOREKNOW ?
It has nothing to do with God knowing those who would get saved, and not saved.
How can God ? see down the tunnel of time ? when ? God transends time ? God created time ? God is a enteral being.
How can God see in time ? and at the same time ? chose those in Christ to be saved before the foundations of this earth, universe, and the creation of time ?
Predestination means God before anything was created, time was created, before the earth was created God chose those who would be saved in Christ, he had a pre - designed pupose and plan for them, and to be saved.
The word FOREKNOW meaning has more of a relationalship defintion to it.
Adam KNEW his wife.
Jacob KNEW his wife.
God for knew those, chosen in Christ, before the foundations of this world... as in GOD knew them... not what they would do in the future.
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