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To: Boogieman
"Does not the Catholic church say that absolution cannot be obtained without contrition, and that contrition is not possible in an unregenerate state of sin?"

You are speculating about what may or may not have transpired within the confessional and the heart of a priest in a hypothetical case. However, the relative sinfulness of the priest is not sufficient to prevent Christ from acting through him. My offer still stands to explain in personna Christi and alter Christus to you.

Peace be with you

326 posted on 04/05/2013 9:52:10 PM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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To: Natural Law

“You are speculating about what may or may not have transpired within the confessional and the heart of a priest in a hypothetical case.”

Yes, only in a hypothetical case, and in the general sense, and not about any person in particular, so there is nothing forbidden about that.

“However, the relative sinfulness of the priest is not sufficient to prevent Christ from acting through him.”

Then there is nothing preventing Christ from acting through a heretical priest, who is in the same position, being in de facto excommunication. Yet nobody seems to suggest that it would be efficacious to seek absolution from them.

The Catholic church does teach that defrocked priests can administer sacraments in an emergency, but only with the caveat that it should only be done in a situation of the direst need, where there is no alternative. Obviously, this caveat means that seeking the sacraments from such a source is not the most efficacious method, even if you hold it possible for sacraments thus administered to be valid.

Yet, a defrocked priest is still in communion with the church, even if they have stumbled in their calling. A unrepentant sinner, priest or no, is not in communion with the church, so it stands to reason that seeking the sacraments from them would be even less efficacious, and therefore less advisable.


330 posted on 04/05/2013 10:20:44 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Natural Law; Boogieman
>>My offer still stands to explain in personna Christi and alter Christus to you.<<

Aka, Anti Christ

341 posted on 04/06/2013 5:50:05 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified. 1 Corinthians 2:2)
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